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Fishstick 07-16-2007 07:40 PM

i gotta felt this right?
 
No reads. Villain is playing 15/13/4 and on 6 tables+


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $3,423.00
BB: $4,071.97
UTG: $3,148.00
Hero (BTN): $1,970.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $70.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $250.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $180.00

Flop: ($520) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $399.00</font>, Hero calls $399.00

Turn: ($1318) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1318) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $2,774.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $1,321.00

Commentary on every street would be appreciated.

whorasaurus 07-16-2007 07:47 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
are you hoping he has exactly JJ?

oh and raising somewhere would be good

Drag007 07-16-2007 07:58 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
i would probably 4-bet preflop
and no you don't have to felt this, it looks a lot like AQ, TT, maybe AA, esp. coming from a 15/13
what is your image?

xSCWx 07-16-2007 07:59 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
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i would probably 4-bet preflop
and no you don't have to felt this, it looks a lot like AQ, TT, maybe AA, esp. coming from a 15/13
what is your image?

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I agree, there isn't anything normal you beat here except JJ.

Terrabon98 07-16-2007 08:44 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
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are you hoping he has exactly JJ?

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If the player is a regular mid/high stakes TAG, then yeah you can definitely felt this. Pretty obv you don't have a Q, and he could be tryin to push you off of KK, JJ, AK or any random pocket pair with a random hand

Fishstick 07-16-2007 08:57 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
my image is quite loose im prob playing 29/23 or so. Im pretty much just beating a bluff on the river but isnt a bluff a big part of his range here? i mean i cant just automatically put im on aq, 1010 or aa.

I just called flop cuz if i raise ill scare off a big part of his 2-3 outter range. If the river comes low instead of a ten does that make this an auto-call?

Fishstick 07-16-2007 09:03 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
o ya and my hand is pretty underepresented here

EmpireMaker2 07-16-2007 10:13 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
I think I call here...Are u guys retards, plenty of 15-13's can 3 bet light pre, and push the river with a wide range of hands espically if the opponent thinks we have 9's-j's.....

invid 07-16-2007 10:14 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
your pf and flop play make me want to throw up

Fishstick 07-16-2007 11:29 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
i think my pf play is fine...i have pos, sb probably thinks i have nothing and i get alot of value from hands that would fold pf, if i just flat call kk every so often.

xxThe_Lebowskixx 07-16-2007 11:38 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
everyone calls here. hed have to 3bet very rarely for you to consider folding.

todd1007 07-17-2007 12:00 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
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are you hoping he has exactly JJ?

oh and raising somewhere would be good

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yes.. you beat jj and tie kk... call and lose

Terrabon98 07-17-2007 12:15 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
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your pf and flop play make me want to throw up

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this is the worst post in the history of posts.

What I said earlier stands, and everyone who keeps saying that villian "has to have JJ" is retarded and obv does not play in these games. And OP was right, his hand is waaay underrepped. Anyone could be floating that flop bet with anything from mid pocket pairs to complete air.

jcmoussa 07-17-2007 01:18 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
this whole thread makes me want to puke.

Stinger88 07-17-2007 01:30 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
You have to make an agressive move somewhere. 4bet pre, raise flop, push turn, something. As played call.

NMcNasty 07-17-2007 01:41 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
You should be calling this river if you are deciding to flat preflop, just call flop, and check turn. You're playing your KK passively to induce bluffs and thin value-bets so your opponent making big bets like this should be expected and you should be ready to call.

If your opponent isn't going to be making those plays very often then 4 betting pre or pushing flop is a better line.

cts 07-17-2007 01:46 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
when 15/13 guys reraise me preflop and I have AA or KK I don't stop putting $ in

imabigdeal 07-17-2007 02:23 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
reraise pf, as played i puke and call

mperich 07-17-2007 05:01 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
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when 15/13 guys reraise me preflop and I have AA or KK I don't stop putting $ in

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paulnic 07-17-2007 10:46 AM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
did he have 1010?

JooWish622 07-17-2007 12:16 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
is a flop push that bad here??? seems like a lot of hands would call....

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No reads. Villain is playing 15/13/4 and on 6 tables+


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $3,423.00
BB: $4,071.97
UTG: $3,148.00
Hero (BTN): $1,970.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $70.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $250.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $180.00

Flop: ($520) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $399.00</font>, Hero calls $399.00

Turn: ($1318) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1318) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $2,774.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $1,321.00

Commentary on every street would be appreciated.

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niceh4nd 07-17-2007 01:55 PM

Re: i gotta felt this right?
 
results?


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