Professional No Limit Vol. II
 

What is this going to cover? Will it be directed at full ring or 6-max?

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The TOC is not set in stone yet. We'll keep you updated.

thanks,

Sunny

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What would you like to see?

We don't want to open the kimono yet. We'll have a lot to say on preflop-to-flop play, bluffing, some game theory, others. Still way too much for one book and many important topics won't make the cut. Others will get a paragraph instead of a chapter, because it takes us too long to write books and eventually others will write the stuff.

Vol 2 will help you understand (explicitly) how 6-max is different. We may stick a chapter in on how to adjust to those differences and adjust your frequencies if that's what is most wanted. But you stay have to play well overall to play 6-max well. Like the rest of no-limit, it's just adjusting the main ideas to current game conditions.

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how about HU play
also how to exploit all the different mistakes

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Yes, any information you can put in about 6-max would be helpful. It would also be instructive to explain (for both 6-max and full ring) how to adjust to different types of tables. For example, some tables have a lot of weak-tight players, while some have a lot of LAGs. Still other tables have a lot of TAGs. Some tables have a lot of players limping in. Other tables are very crazy with a lot of raising and reraising. One might be likely to encounter a much crazier game at the Commerce as opposed to Vegas, for example.

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I think it would be a big mistake to not focus a lot of the second book on ideas that relate more to 6 max than full ring.

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I think 6-max ideas are going to be the things most wanted in vol. 2.

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Is Volume the last book in this series? I would like to see a trilogy like Harrington on Hold'em.

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I'm sure that between full ring, 6-max and plenty of problems/examples it wouldn't be too difficult to fill three volumes. You know whoever buys two volumes is going to buy all three.

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Yes, In fact I'd like to see the authors write the entire second volume using the assumption that the readers main game is 6-Max. as the rule not exception.

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6-max vs FR = Jocks vs Nerds

High School all over again, and once more I'm not one of the "cool" kids.

*Takes French Horn & math books and sneaks off...*

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My personal preference is full ring games, but that shouldn't influence the content of the upcomming books. 6-max is the more popular choise.

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6-max vs FR = Jocks vs Nerds

High School all over again, and once more I'm not one of the "cool" kids.

*Takes French Horn & math books and sneaks off...*

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Your why the [censored] can't I beat 6max post was bumped recently ..... honestly I feel you sold out too cheaply ... come back to uNL [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Gel,

I don't recall ever making a "I can't beat 6-max" thread.

And I'm well situated in uNL. FR uNL. In fact, according to PT I'm having my best month ever. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Well if it ain't broken, don't fix it .... still, you are always welcome [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm not down on 6-max at all. I've always said that 6-max provides an expert player the greatest oportunity to exploit their opponent's mistakes through play on the turn & river. That's why so many expert players are attracted to 6-max.

And that's why I don't play 6-max. I don't want to play on a table with a bunch of experts. I want to play on a table full of suckers and chumps. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Matt Flynn said

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What would you like to see?

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I'm not your target audience (noting the title "Professional No Limit"), but I've preordered V1. That said I'm interested in 2 topics.
1) Inducing bluffs...or planning your hands to induce bluffs.
2) Calling PSB's on the river. The best I can get here is recognizing the occasional spiked 2 pair wake up on the river vs the busted flush "I can't win without betting" line.

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come to think of it, if the authors dont play or have little experience at 6 max, then I would prefer it if it wasn't covered in the book.

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HEADS UP HEADS UP HEADS UP! k thx [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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What would you like to see?

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just kick down that science god.

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Actually, Flynn and Mehta prefer to play 6-max.

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Here's a vote for NOT dedicating Vol. II to 6-max. I'm happy to see it covered to some extent, but please not the entire volume. Many of us are small to medium stakes B&M players where short games are fairly rare or don't last long before filling up or breaking.

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come to think of it, if the authors dont play or have little experience at 6 max, then I would prefer it if it wasn't covered in the book.

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Actually, Flynn and Mehta prefer to play 6-max.

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well then surely there should be a section/ chapter on 6 max if one of the authors actually prefers to play it online.

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Many of us are small to medium stakes B&M players where short games are fairly rare or don't last long before filling up or breaking.

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It doesn't matter. If you play FR you're one of the nerds, not one of the jocks. So what you want doesn't count.

***This is the place where one of the "cool kids" berates you for your "-EV mistake" of spending a few hours playing B&M poker instead of multi-tabling NL 6-max.***


/sarcasm. DUCY?

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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No the people want starting hands charts and theorems, ldo

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maybe a topic about what sng players should do to adjust well in ring game? I've been playing sngs for years and i find it very different from the ring games, but i don't know how to adjust. thx

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I looked over the contents of Vol.1, and it’s possible I missed it, but might there be a part in V2 where you discuss analyzing your game for leaks in the most efficient manners? I’m not necessarily asking for step by step on the use of PT, or Holdem Mgr, but instead more conceptual, and the way a professional thinks about analyzing his game.

I want to analyze my game much more (because I have so far to go), but I am sure there are many things that I am overlooking. Also, I think that in analyzing my own game I learn to analyze others, and find ways to exploit their leaks.

Thx…

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Vol 2 will help you understand (explicitly) how 6-max is different. We may stick a chapter in on how to adjust to those differences and adjust your frequencies if that's what is most wanted. But you stay have to play well overall to play 6-max well. Like the rest of no-limit, it's just adjusting the main ideas to current game conditions.

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There is a whole forum that will eat up as much 6-max strategy as you are willing to serve [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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soah - please post this in the B&M forum next time I have some wacko scream that playing NL online is night and day from playing NL live. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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i never see 6max books man

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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soah - please post this in the B&M forum next time I have some wacko scream that playing NL online is night and day from playing NL live. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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well there is truth that it's night and day difference... and you can definitely learn to beat a game just by adopting a certain style which happens to exploit the types of opponents you face, without understanding why it works

but a book should be teaching you why it works and how to adapt to all types of opponents that you will face, and not just rules of thumb that might hold true for certain games while being terrible advice in others

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but a book should be teaching you why it works and how to adapt to all types of opponents that you will face, and not just rules of thumb that might hold true for certain games while being terrible advice in others

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I think I can sum this up. We, collectively speaking, would like to see books that thoroughly cover No-Limit Hold 'em cash games, both full ring and 6-max, both live and online. The stakes we play at run the gamut, from low stakes up to the nosebleed stakes. I think most players who bother to read books endeavor to eventually make it to the higher stakes if they aren't there already.

We would like to learn how to adapt to different types of opponents and playing conditions (to the extent that can be taught in a book). Hopefully between what you write and what Harrington is currently working on, we will get what we are looking for.

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But seriously, if you are looking for suggestions, here is mine:

DYNAMICS and/or MANIPULATION

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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soah - please post this in the B&M forum next time I have some wacko scream that playing NL online is night and day from playing NL live. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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well there is truth that it's night and day difference... and you can definitely learn to beat a game just by adopting a certain style which happens to exploit the types of opponents you face, without understanding why it works

but a book should be teaching you why it works and how to adapt to all types of opponents that you will face, and not just rules of thumb that might hold true for certain games while being terrible advice in others

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My mantra: learning how to play poker isn't about learning how to beat "your game". The key is learning how to adjust to table conditions, texture, oponents, situations, stack sizes, etc etc etc. Adjust adjust adjust! Its not an online vs B&M difference, its really the difference between people who know how to adjust to conditions of the game and people who don't have a clue how to adjust!

PS: more [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for soah!

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I think I've gotten more hearts in this thread than for all my other 16k posts combined =p

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it sounds like perhaps the book should spend quite a few pages explaining how poker is still poker regardless of how many players were dealt in and you still go through the exact same processes to make your decisions

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soah - please post this in the B&M forum next time I have some wacko scream that playing NL online is night and day from playing NL live. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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well there is truth that it's night and day difference... and you can definitely learn to beat a game just by adopting a certain style which happens to exploit the types of opponents you face, without understanding why it works

but a book should be teaching you why it works and how to adapt to all types of opponents that you will face, and not just rules of thumb that might hold true for certain games while being terrible advice in others

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My mantra: learning how to play poker isn't about learning how to beat "your game". The key is learning how to adjust to table conditions, texture, oponents, situations, stack sizes, etc etc etc. Adjust adjust adjust! Its not an online vs B&M difference, its really the difference between people who know how to adjust to conditions of the game and people who don't have a clue how to adjust!

PS: more [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for soah!

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After this, there is no need to write a book. Think! Think! Think! dammit!!!

There is not nerds vs jocks war. A professional player will simply move from game to game, style to style, because there is an edge to be had. Think of the days when LowBall was the hottest game in town, then Stud took over, then it was Limit Hold'em, and now it is NL Hold'em and Tourneys. Yes, there perhaps should be book that touches on these basic topics (TOP anyone?), but the reality is that if there is too much information, this information will be misused, and make many players worse than if they were to never had made those adjustments in the first place. A good example is shortly after NLTP came out, people started shoving all in on the river when it was obvious that they had the nuts. Yes, against a bad player this may work, but against me you are losing a ton of money, because I probably have a clear idea of what you have, and by pushing AI confirms my beliefs. Bet enough so that I have some doubt about my reads, and I am more likely to call you. It may not be much more, but it is enough to create some kind of profit, or rather refund some of the money from the earlier streets that you misplayed against me.

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6 max and FR are not the same. Different concepts have different levels of importance. Yes it is the same game and most things apply to both, but the importance of headsup and blind situations is so much higher in 6 max than FR (at least at low stakes). I understand poker theory (or at least as much as I ever will), but I want more specific advice on certain situations that come up a lot in 6 max compared to FR. I want to see hand examples for 6 max that simply aren't likely to occur in FR (once again at least at smaller stakes).

Finally please stop responding to posts with a bunch of hearts... it creeps me out.