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Gracie JuJitsu dojo trip report
I always noticed this GJJ dojo near near me as i drove by, so i decided to finally check it out. I called in, and asked for pricing information, and they refused to give me a price, they gave me a range, 25-200, that didn't help at all. They offered me a free trial class, and they said to come in the next day and that my uniform was ready. Very exciting i thought.
about me: my background is 2 years varsity wrestling back in middle school whichi was probably 7-8 years ago (im 22 now), so i dont remember that much. I am interested in GJJ cuz i like UFC, and i wanted to get into a sport and have confidence that i could defend myself in any situation. I am also into bodybuilding and general fitness. Next day after work i came in, 1st thing i see is this.. http://www.graciemiami.com/images/adultprogram.jpg a big mat with a 50+ people taking instruction from Pedro Valente. I also noticed 2 50"+ LCDs mounted above the mat on each side, showing the technique in slow motion. Nize i thought. I went up to the waiting area, and told the person working there that im here for my trial class, they gave me my uniform and told me where to go to change etc.. It was challenging to figure out how to tie the pants and the belt since i never did anything like this, but i kind of got it, although i thought my belt hung too low. The uniform they gave me was the same as everyone else's kimono, but without the Gracie patch. First class: we all lined up and listened to Pedro welcome everyone and then tell them to review what they've learned so far, and that new people should just watch. So i stood with 2 other dudes watching the experienced people practicing things they learned. This went on for maybe 15 mins. Meanwhile Pedro came up to us and told us more about the dojo and asked us about how we found out about this place etc.. After the 15 mins passed, we lined up again, Pedro showed us a technique which was how to fall down properly. i wont go into details... then he had us pair up and practice it. THe way they want u to pair up is with someone who has a higher belt than u. It seemed like most people had their own pals that they paired up with. So since i was new they paired me up with a purple belt, which is the 3rd level, he was a nice guy was giving me alot of pointers and was eager to help. We practiced that for maybe 10 mins. Then we learned another technique which is how to defend from a bear hug and go into a hip toss, but we didnt actually hip toss yet. Then we learned how to get out of a head lock from behind, and a head lock from the ground. In between lessons Pedro would tell us stories of how these techinques helped his students, or how he had used this technique before to help himself. It was a very interesting class indeed. After the class, i went into the "negotiaion room" they took 1 guy in at a time to negotiate. It was a small room with a table. The dojo is owned by the 2 Valente brothers so the owners not only teach but they also are the ones who are in charge of the whole financial situation. SO i was talking to pedro's brother, Gi, gee or giu not sure of the spelling but its pronounced G-hee. price: They were very firm on the monthly price, which was already discounted if i signed a contract for a year. I was concerned about reading everything and learning all the contigencies, and the brothers assured me that this is a family owned business and that i would be treated as family and that if anything happens we could always negotiate something that is right for us both. Anyways, i ended up negotiaing a 10 day trial and if i was satisfied then i would sign a full year contract, otherwise i dont pay anything. The price is $168 a month if u sign for a year, kimono is included (GJJ jacket + pants + white belt). Other wise its $50 per class, and probably more if u do a monthly pay. Second class: THe next day (Saturday) i came in for their noon class. I saw some of the same faces from the other day. THis time they paired me off with a more experienced guy who seemed very popular in the dojo, Pedro used him to demonstrate all the techniques. THis guy was also very helpful and knowledgeable. On this day i learned, elbow strikes, sleeper hold, mounting on the opponent when their on their back so they cant push u off & when their on their stomach. During the elbowing, we practiced them on these rubber dummies, there was 4 dummies and we made 4 lines and we would take turns doing 4 strikes each from the left and right elbow, and while we waited in line we would do the elbow strikes on each other's hands. During the sleeper hold tehcnique we watched several videos of hoice gracie, and royce gracie using the sleeper hold to beat opponents and making them pass out in the UFC. Pedro also told us stories of bar fights how security guards he had trained made unruly patrons go to sleep. Very good class i thought. So anyways, i still have 7 days to decide if i want to do it or not. Questions: How does $168 a month compare to other GJJ/BJJ dojos? Is GJJ/BJJ a good martial art? The way they teach the class, which is basicly overviewing a technique then having students teach each other, is this a good way to learn & teach? How does it compare to other dojos? Cliffs: -Nice facility, clean, owned by the trainers (2 brothers). -Class starts with a 15 minute review with a partner. Then the trainer shows us a techinque then has us pair off with more experienced students and learn from each other. -$168 a month kimono included if u sign a year contract, otherwise $50 per class, unknown price on amonthly basis. -classes last 1 hour and 20 mins. -The "fundamentals" class is available 4 times a week, m (10am & 7pm), w(10am & 7pm), f(10am & 7pm), s(noon). To complete this class u need to go thru 27 lessons. This will give u a blue belt. Pedro claims that once u earn the blue belt he is confident u can win against any opponent that doesnt know ju jitsu. |
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sounds pretty cool
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i pay 150 a month for bjj dojo, but i also do muay thai
a good kimono is easily over $100 earning a belt after a certain number of classes is bs. You have to prove youre worthy of a belt. But ur description seems legit, and its the [censored] gracie family. BJJ fkn rocks, do it. I train 6 days a week. Im battered, bruised all over, my knees hurt like [censored], but holy [censored] is it fun |
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i pay 150 a month for bjj dojo, but i also do muay thai a good kimono is easily over $100 earning a belt after a certain number of classes is bs. You have to prove youre worthy of a belt. But ur description seems legit, and its the [censored] gracie family. BJJ fkn rocks, do it. I train 6 days a week. Im battered, bruised all over, my knees hurt like [censored], but holy [censored] is it fun [/ QUOTE ] Yea this school is also the only other school in the USA which is approved by Grandmaster Hoice Gracie, there is 3 schools in the worlds, one in brazil, cali and in miami(where im going) |
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About 3 months ago, I signed up with a mma school (BJJ, and muay thai). I had wrestled in high school ten years ago, but other than that I had had no experience. I am very happy with my expierence so far. I am in better shape, and have learned a lot. The BJJ classes inclued a live rolling period in which we actually wrestle with others in the class (no striking), and if the class didn't have this, I probably wouldn't have signed up.
The cost is $129/month. When I first signed up, I thought it was a lot, but now that I have done it for a while, I think it is well worth it. I would never have signed up at a rate of $168/month, but nowing what I know now, I don't think it would be that bad. But if your place doesn't do live rolling, I wouldn't thik it is worth it. |
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it does have sparring (no strikes) after u pass the fundamental lessons which is 27 lessons. They let u take Advanced Classes, where ucan do the sparring, and no kimono training and sparring.
I wouldnt stand a chance sparring right now anyway. So i agree with taking the fundamentals 1st then getting into sparring. |
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oh man its all about the rolling. I get my ass kicked but the stuff you learn in class is nothing compared to what you learn from actually doing it with more experienced people. Id say i do about 25% class and 75% rolling, which is totally the way i like it
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http://mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?ac=ListM...ID=11&pc=1
there you go, you should get some answers there. |
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It's definitely worth your time, but i personally like no-gi mma training more than i like old school GJJ. My gym is much cheaper than this, but my gym is also so cheap its not even really fair. 90 dollars a month for stand up and bjj, woot.
And live rolling is incredible. Easily the most challenging, rewarding, and fun thing i've ever done sports wise. |
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this is the first tourny results for florida i could find
2005 north american grappling association florida tourny results ATT dominated, gracie ... not so much |
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definitely check out all the places nearby, but the place you visited sounds good if you really want to learn the art of Brazilian jiu jitsu, as opposed to the more sportive aspects. ATT is well known for having great facilites and competition success, as well as lots of great black belts.
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definitely check out all the places nearby, but the place you visited sounds good if you really want to learn the art of Brazilian jiu jitsu, as opposed to the more sportive aspects. ATT is well known for having great facilites and competition success, as well as lots of great black belts. [/ QUOTE ]but are they approved by Grandmaster Hoice Gracie? (btw it's Royce Gracie and the grand master is actualy Helio Gracie) |
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A couple things:
Elbow strikes simply do not work by themselves unless you are lucky or you have a good position. If you're standing, you need to set it up by knowing how to clinch or setting it up with jab/cross/hook, etc. -You should be sparring your first class, and every class. -You will not deserve a blue belt after 27 lessons. This is an incredibly low bar as far as BJJ is concerned. Most places take a lot longer to hand out their blue belts -168 is a little bit on the high end for a yearly contract OTOH, it sounds like they offer a good amount of weekly classes. IMO, the class sizes seem way too large, but this isn't really a big deal with the setup they have. As long as your training partner is better than you and understands the technique, then you should be fine. A lot of bjj/judo dojos rely on a good amount of peer instruction, and it's a good method. Still, I think the class size sucks. I would avoid a yearly contract until you are certain you like the school. Just go with a monthly contract for 1,2, or 3 months and then make your decision later. Even if it's $40 extra, that's better than getting locked into something that you regret. I think you should check out other dojos. Just do a google search, and look for BJJ, and Judo schools. FYI, Judo does throws, and groundfighting. I think you should consider grappling arts instead of striking arts since you have a wrestly background you can build on. Yes, BJJ is a great art, but you only get out of it what you put in. You should be sparring regularly, or "rolling", as they call it sometimes. Remember, "it's not worth anything if they give I give it to you", as one of my Judo senseis told me. edit: one thing that BJJ is deficient in IMO is the ability to end a fight quickly, and to remain mobile. Going to the ground with someone who is inferior to you in grappling/submission skills is the optimal solution in a 1 on 1 encounter. However, things don't always go as you would like. Imagine the following scenario: You're at a bar talking to a girl. Her crazy drunk vato boyfriend comes up out of nowhere and swings on you. Going to the ground with him is great, except that 20 seconds into the fight, just as you are about to armbar him, one of his friends runs over from the other side of the room and stomps on your face or stabs you. Game over. It would be much better to slip one of his punches, do a judo throw, and stomp HIS face and then run off. Or do a sidekick into his knee, taking out his leg, and then splitting. Or intercept his agression with a kick in the nuts. Striking arts can really suck too though. Imagine he attacks you from behind, and then you're on the ground immediately. I don't care how good you are at kickboxing. None of that is gonna be useful on your back. Just something to think about. |
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a good kimono is usually about $40 [/ QUOTE ] FYP PS: LOLOLOLOLOL |
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looks like ATT whooped ass in 06 too [/ QUOTE ] I bet they teach "oil changes", butt drags, and "checking the oil" over at ATT. |
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the third hook
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I didn't want to start a new thread for this, anyone have any experience with sambo?
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judo with leg locks
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I didn't want to start a new thread for this, anyone have any experience with sambo? [/ QUOTE ] no but I hear very good things about it. That, and Fedor uses it to embarass all of his opponents. |
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[ QUOTE ] a good gi is usually about $40 [/ QUOTE ] FYP PS: LOLOLOLOLOL [/ QUOTE ] FYPs. It is not a kimono. |
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The HardCore Gym/ ATT Athens Owners: Adam and Rory Singer Instructor: Head Coach Adam Singer / Assistant Head Coach Rory Singer Address: 1685 Commerce Rd. Athens, Ga. 30607 Phone: 706-614-3399 E-mail: info@TheHardcoreGym.net Website: www.TheHardcoreGym.net [/ QUOTE ] YEAH WHAT BITCHES WE ARE A.T.T. AFFILIATED NOW WHAT IT DO... In retrospect, i got lucky as crap. I joined the first place i ever went to visit, and they are soooooooo quality. Got ATT affiliation a couple months after i joined. You see how "The HardCore Gym" is the only one not listed as "ATT of _______" It's because Adam and Rory Singer are badass enough with their hole-in-the-wall gym that ATT recruited them into the fold. LOL LUCKSACK-MY-WAY-INTO-THE-BEST-SCHOOL-IN-THE-SOUTHEASTERN-UNITED-STATES-AMENTS. |
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pshhh whatever tapout and streetsports ftw, chris lisciandro world champion son,
and please everyone stop saying kimono, you should be rolling after a week max and you should not have a blue belt that soon at all that's a joke, i agree with pretty much everything snowball said that class size seems pretty silly |
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Danny,
Have you ever been given an "oil change"? |
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I'm confused about this 'oil change'. I have no idea what we are talking about.
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And live rolling is incredible. Easily the most challenging, rewarding, and fun thing i've ever done sports wise. [/ QUOTE ] and the opponents are so much weaker than online. |
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[ QUOTE ] a good kimono is usually about $40 [/ QUOTE ] FYP PS: LOLOLOLOLOL [/ QUOTE ] the cheapest good bjj gi i have seen is the howard unbleached standard single for $50, but they USUALLY run from $80-$160ish. |
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Don't Do It, do you train at ATT in Miami?
Danny, I thought the singers were SBG? |
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Seems like a good place to post this cuz I dont want to write a trip report or anything..
Just finished my first BJJ class. It was at a Relson Gracie school, that I just started at. I have taken Muay Thai some place else for about a year, though it was kind of slack. Ive never felt more like Jeff Van Gundy in my life. Just holding on for dear life and trying not to get hurt. We did some rolling after the class (the guys I rolled with were brown belts because they were teaching me also). Even half assing it, the feeling my arm could have been ripped off at any point isnt fun.. As a side note. I kinda knew..But had no real idea about how insane leverage is. I was rolling with another guy in class who is also new. We could get ourselves into the positions we were suppose to, but couldnt tap the other guy (due to crappy technique). But Jesus, when one of the experienced guys came over and shifted our hips or shoulders..It goes from mild discomfort to serious pain real freaking quick..Amazing its just from moving a leg out or dropping an elbow.. |
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I'm confused about this 'oil change'. I have no idea what we are talking about. [/ QUOTE ] He's thinking of oil check, which is basically the white people's version of Kancho, or as the Korean people call it, ddong chee. |
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I've only played judo myself, but this doesn't really seem like a great deal. The class is huge and short; sort of pointless to pay for an instructor you'll never see. Stories are nice, but probably don't really help you learn.
A good judo gi might cost $100 for a double-weave, $50 for a single weave. Also, I can't believe that there won't be any sparring. You should be doing that after a week at most -- once you learn not to be stupid, how to tap, and take a fall. Whether or not you stick with bjj depends on how much you enjoy sparring. It's insane that you'd sign up for a year and take a month's worth of classes without sparring. Also the cost seems outrageous compared to typical judo fees, but I hear that bjj clubs tend to cost more. Still asking for a year upfront is practically a scam a la generic health clubs. A negotiation room? Give me a break. As far as a typical class, I train judo three days a week, around two hours each time, but I imagine it's pretty similar. Someone with bjj should feel free to elaborate. A typical class might look like: 15 minutes warm-up/stretching, 15 minutes repeating techniques (no throwing) with a partner, 20 minutes teaching a new technique/practicing that with a partner, 20 minutes throwing (on crash pads or just the mat), 25 minutes ground-sparring, 25 minutes sparring standing (sparring in 4 minute rounds with different opponents). It has a lot of sparring -- that's the only way to really learn the techniques. Well, have fun whatever you do, but if you've never been to another dojo and there's another one in your area, take a look there first. Good luck. |
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my bjj classes are a bit over an hour and i go almost every day, looks like this, i usually show up a little early to stretch, then warmups usually go about 5 minutes, then 30 minutes on learning techniques and 30 minutes of rolling with various degrees of openness(often working from the position the techniques were from for the first 10, then 10 passing the guard which we do a lot and 10 minutes just starting from the knees) i think not sparring in one of these disciplines is absurd tbh
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thanks for all of ur suggestions guys. I know u guys are right, there might be better shcools out there that cost less money but the problem is that their all too far from me. Right now i am carpooling with a pal, even tho there is a ATT dojo 10 mins away from my work place, i cant go there because if i stop carpooling i have to spend and extra $150 a month on gas so thats -EV for me.
I would definetly like to "roll" that was the most fun part of wrestling practice, im going to talk with the senseis about that and see what they say. The class size doesnt really affect my training, there is room on the mat and Pedro walks around and u can raise ur hand and ask for his personal help, he also helped me one one last night with a technique i was having problems with. THe yearly contract thing does kind of suck, but its not that bad, only reason why id want to leave is if another school opens near me for less money, or if i injure myself, or if i become sick, or if i move. SO i dont think its that big of a deal. THe gi or kimono or whateevr is probably double weaved, its like a jacket, its very thick 100% cotton, so its probably expensive. thanks for ur help but looks liek ill be stickig to this dojo, unless another opens u near me. (Sunny Isles Beach, FL) l8rz |
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Nice TR.
Can anyone offer me some advice? The only martial arts school in town (Bloomington, IN) that offers BJJ is this one http://www.monroecountymartialarts.com/. The price is nice ($50/month and $54 for a cheap gi), but I have never taken a MA class, so I have no idea what to expect. If I decide to go check out a class, what should I be looking for and what sorts of questions should I be asking? |
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mikey, i'm in a hurry right now but i'll try and answer you tonight.
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It seems a little McDojo-ish, mikey. The fact that the head guy is a TMA (traditional martial arts), and that they talk about TKD before everything else makes me suspicious.
When being trained in Muay Thai or BJJ, your teacher/coach should be a pro fighter ideally. Every good MMA gym i've been to have had pro MMA fighters as teachers. BJJ you can substitute a good black belt for an actual fighter, but ask your teacher in BJJ what belt he is and who he got it from. If he tells a legit school or a Gracie or somebody, he's almost always a quality instructor, but beware of a TKD BB calling himself a JJ BB. The price does seem very nice, and if they are legit in the MT and BJJ, i would do the combined program and do both if i were you. Muay Thai is by far the best striking art imo. I would also shop around, don't be discouraged by a small drive if it comes to that. Here's a list of Martial Arts i found in Indiana. About 1/3 of them say 'MMA' as style, and could be worth going to check out. No idea if they are close to Bloomington, but it's better than nothing. http://www.usadojo.com/kata/schools1.asp?state=IN Also, every one of these schools should be legit. The first link is to a TMA site that lists some MMA schools, this one is all MMA and should be quality. Don't know how many of these are near bloomington but it's worth a shot. http://www.fightresource.com/viewsch...1&state=IN Also, here's a place i found in franklin, which seems to be close to bloomington. This guy seems very legit and is a Brown Belt under Mario Roberto, and a Judo Brown Belt. http://ibjja.com/instr.html I would check this out, and not let a 30 min drive stop me from a better school. |
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