Check-raised with overpair, standard or weak play?
 

Canterbury 15/30.

Folds around to me in LP and I raise with JJ. All fold to TAG in BB (Doc) who calls.

Flop is T74r. Doc checkraises, I three-bet, Doc calls.

Turn is a 6, suit unimportant. Doc bets, I call.

River is a blank. Doc bets, I call.

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It's fine. I don't mind raise/folding to a 3-bet on the river, though.

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Canterbury 15/30.

Folds around to me in LP and I raise with JJ. All fold to TAG in BB (Doc) who calls.

Flop is T74r. Doc checkraises, I three-bet, Doc calls.

Turn is a 6, suit unimportant. Doc bets, I call.

River is a blank. Doc bets, I call.

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Because he did not 3 bet you pre-flop, I'm not putting him on a bigger pocket pair or even TT. I might raise on the turn.

He may possibly have 77 or 44, but I'm thinking it is more likely something like AT or KT. If he plays back at you after you raise on the turn I'd just call down.

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Emerson, you're calling a turn 3-bet by a TAG?

Re: Check-raised with overpair, standard or weak play?
 

fine.

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It's fine. I don't mind raise/folding to a 3-bet on the river, though.

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Emerson, you're calling a turn 3-bet by a TAG?

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On this board with our hand I think so. I just think that most hands that beat us would have 3 bet preflop.

Also, it is unclear what TAG means anymore. It usually refers to a semi-loose aggressive player who is skilled and capable of moves.

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I agree at this point, but if you're 3-bet on the turn by a by-the-book TAG, those assumptions go out the window. You're almost always against a set.

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Raising the river is much better than raising the turn if you want to raise a big street.

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I agree, bboy. Unless you're in a really tough game, you never, ever get 3-bet on the river when you're ahead, and can easily fold.

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I agree, bboy. Unless you're in a really tough game, you never, ever get 3-bet on the river when you're ahead, and can easily fold.

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I agree. But what if you want a call? I think AT will call a raise on the turn but will likely fold to a raise on the river.

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That's pretty player-dependent, emerson...some forms of weak players will call the river raise with AT because it closes the betting, whereas a turn raise scares them more because they're gonna have to call two more bets...

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I agree, bboy. Unless you're in a really tough game, you never, ever get 3-bet on the river when you're ahead, and can easily fold.

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I agree. But what if you want a call? I think AT will call a raise on the turn but will likely fold to a raise on the river.

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we do want a call. i don't see why they will be tossing their hand to a river raise moreso than a turn either.

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Just get to showdown after the 3bet. Doc wont pay off a turn or river raise w/ a worse hand and If you are ahead he probably doesnt have enough outs that you need to protect against.

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I can see him donking T8s