Call or raise the turn
 

15/30 Hollywood Park

Early position limper (loose/very passive)
I'm in late postion and limp with QJo.
SB completes
BB (very loose/aggressive) checks

Flop
KT3 rainbow
Checked to me
I bet
BB and EP call

Turn 9 (no flush draw possible)
BB checks
EP bets (to my surprise)

Do I smooth call with nuts to lure in the BB, or raise hoping to get the very loose BB to call two bets? Or do I wait to put my raise in on the river? Given what I've seen of the EP player, he has at least two pair and possibly the same hand as me.

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Given the read BB, I'm fine with preflop, though I'm sure half this board still wants you to raise PF.

Just call the turn, Villain will fold any pair but a K to a raise.(He doesn't have one because he doesnt' bet the flop) You have position on the raiser so there's no way you're missing bets unless he checks the river. If that happens, it's likely he wouldn't call the raise anyways.

Prediction: You called, BB folds, EP checks river, and that's why you posted the hand.

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Given the read BB, I'm fine with preflop, though I'm sure half this board still wants you to raise PF.

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Wow raise there? I hadn't thought of that.

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Prediction: You called, BB folds, EP checks river, and that's why you posted the hand.

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I called
BB called

River was an ace
BB LED OUT
EP called
I raised
They both call
(I didn't see their hands)

Although it turned out well for me, I didn't want to just base it on that alone. The BB is SO loose that he would most likely would have called two bets with bottom pair ace kicker.

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If BB is indeed that loose I just would have raised the turn, unless he is the kind of guy that also pays 2-bets on the river with bottom pair ace kicker.

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I'm raising this pre flop and I'd call turn

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just raise the turn no need for FPS

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huh w/ calling turn? L/P game meaning you can't count on others to bet for you, raise this turn and bet river.

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Raise preflop raise the turn bet the river JAMB it up its 15/30 you will get paid.

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15/30 Hollywood Park

Early position limper (loose/very passive)
I'm in late postion and limp with QJo.
SB completes
BB (very loose/aggressive) checks

Flop
KT3 rainbow
Checked to me
I bet
BB and EP call

Turn 9 (no flush draw possible)
BB checks
EP bets (to my surprise)

Do I smooth call with nuts to lure in the BB, or raise hoping to get the very loose BB to call two bets? Or do I wait to put my raise in on the river? Given what I've seen of the EP player, he has at least two pair and possibly the same hand as me.

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Even though my gut is to just call the turn, trying to keep the other guy in, and raise the river, it seems that every time I do this I miss a bet. The other guy folds on the turn anyway and then it is checked to me on the river.

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From pot equity point of view, I usually raise preflop. You can outplay EP (bet whole way and fold if he does anything at all), and your hand is going to be beating BB most of the time.

Raise turn, wtf? Is this trolling? Especially if you know BB will call 2 cold with garbage.

It would suck if board paired or a Q/T came on the river. If board pairs and EP leads out, are you going to raise?

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Ep is probably donking with two pair. Top pair probably would have bet the flop and it is hard to see him pealing with J8 or 78 to make him a draw on this rainbow board. I suppose he could be donking with something like QT or JT and figures he has picked up some outs and will bet here to see where you are at. Even though the pot is small, I think it would be a mistake not to raise here especially if you think the ep has two pair.

You described the BB as Aggressive but has shown none to this point and may just fold the turn anyway.

Charge them while they are drawing since the betting may dry up especially if a queen or a Jack hit the river.

If the button is not loose and assuming you are in the cutoff I would raise to gain position and put more money in the pot to intice the loose players too stay with you when you flop top pair. If the players are showdown bound I may just limp in here.

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I limp preflop and raise the turn. How are you going to be able to 4-bet hands like a turned set unless you raise?

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raise. they call with all kinds of crap.

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I limp preflop and raise the turn. How are you going to be able to 4-bet hands like a turned set unless you raise?

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I agree with this, but FWIW nobody at Hollywood Park has ever 3-bet a set where a straight is possible. Nobody except a 2+2er, that is.

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i'd raise preflop to isolate the limper, but i guess if the blinds are super loose, then you should just limp...

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would you guys prefer to raise something like k8s or jto/qto? i've been raising all of the above but i think i may be overly aggro here...

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RAISE PREFLOP. I don't play unraised pots online unless i'm in the blinds, and I tend to pump it up from there with 2hi or better. Seriously if i'm limping into a pot, i'm not playing well, or am playing hands I shouldn't be/don't know how to in the situation. Consider your limpmachine passivetwat moron that limped in and the other guy who apparently is also donating in this hand. A raise is best...even if the flop comes 239 it gives you FE and you can take a free card pretty much 100% of the time . Pay 1 bet for 4 cards is a nice way to think of it. I raise the turn because it puts the EP player in a tough spot if he has a hand. If he has a set/2p you are getting MUCHO bets. I'm rambling...nh

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Raise turn, wtf? Is this trolling? Especially if you know BB will call 2 cold with garbage.


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ummmm, how do we "know" that he will call 2 with garbage? LAG != braindead.