KK vs tight 3-bet
 

villain is 30/8/3.5. we've been playing for awhile and i not seen him 3-bet up to this point

typically i'd call at least one time, but having 2 of the kings makes AK less likely, and i think once i call this big flop bet, i'll feel compelled to get it in on the turn. the guys who 3-bet the least tend to overplay AK the most, and his AF is pretty high.

notice stacks


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

MP: $736.10
Hero (BTN): $681.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $48.00</font>, Hero calls $48.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($116) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $104.00</font>, Hero folds

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

looks std

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there is no way this is standard

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you missed his undertitle

anyway i like it, esp if you don't put JJ into his re-raising range

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

Flop looks okay if his range is strictly AA/KK/QQ/AK. I'm not convinced his range is this narrow though, especially if MP is opening alot.

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Flop looks okay if his range is strictly AA/KK/QQ/AK. I'm not convinced his range is this narrow though, especially if MP is opening alot.

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mp is 34/17

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I'm not convinced his range is this narrow though, especially if MP is opening alot.

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Guys like this don't widen their 3betting range just because someone is opening a lot imo.

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there is no way this is standard

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er, some guy with 8% pfr repops and then leads a Q high flop, its going to be very tough playing this hand profitably any further and therefore is a clear fold imo, but hey, iza nit

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

Call flop and reeval; probably fold later. 4betting preflop and folding to shove would probably be kinda good with these stacks (to $155).

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

meh nobody pots flop with a set and he'll have to show me AA before i fold

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

I would call at least once. If it was 100bb deep your call looks very strong and this woulda been fine.

However, I dont mind the fold much now either.

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bleh hate it

i'd 4town it preflop, as played i'd certainly call at least one bet

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bleh hate it

i'd 4town it preflop, as played i'd certainly call at least one bet

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zomg I think the same as CTS

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bleh hate it

i'd 4town it preflop, as played i'd certainly call at least one bet

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and ____ if he shoves?

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

don't hate it but i agree with cts on this one.

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snapcall we has the KKs! imo.

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snapcall we has the KKs! imo.

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well i like 4-betting and calling better than 4-betting and folding, but am i really happy getting it in 175 bb deep vs a guy who i have yet to see 3-bet in an hour or two?

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ahhh, okay nm, didn't see the deep stacks, gonna think about it some more.

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i'm guessing the 3.5 is his preflop reraise number..or is it his postflop agg number. i'll assume preflop reraise. if so, it is quite high. therefore:

4-town it preflop and fold to a shove. if he calls preflop, 2/3 pot and fold to a shove.

as played, raise flop to 250 and fold to a shove. if he flat calls flop, on blank turn, shove, if he shows AA or QQ, unlucky.

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

oh you're deep pf. i dont 4 bet with the deeeepness.

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i'm guessing the 3.5 is his preflop reraise number..or is it his postflop agg number. i'll assume preflop reraise. if so, it is quite high. therefore:

4-town it preflop and fold to a shove. if he calls preflop, 2/3 pot and fold to a shove.

as played, raise flop to 250 and fold to a shove. if he flat calls flop, on blank turn, shove, if he shows AA or QQ, unlucky.

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3.5 = aggression factor

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

wtf call

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wtf call

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telling me to call without giving me a turn plan isn't really helpful, no offense

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

I don't think there is going to be a profitable turn plan.
Would definitely 4-bet it pre.

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as played call flop, re-evaluate turn

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I don't think there is going to be a profitable turn plan.
Would definitely 4-bet it pre.

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as mentioned before, plans if he shoves? note 175ish bb stacks

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

I think calling a flop bet with the inentional of folding to a turn follow thru is best line, and then you will have to play poker on the river. I feel like even though he hasn't repopped in a long time, his range needs to be wider than QQ-AA, AK, because he could simply be getting impatient with colder cards and 3 bet a little looser, and he also could deem it profitable to isolate MP with a looser range since he's obviously pretty laggy. I would expect a lot of the time when he has QQ he would bet a little less on the flop (not amazing logic i know, but i think it's true enough that with one queen on board and the fact that he leads for the full pot, we can reduce the liklihood of QQ by a bit) The fact that you are this deep can actually play to your advantage a bit here since often he won't want to bet and call a shove with AA, so even when he does have that i feel as you PF/flop action looks scary enough that when he does have AA you will get to check behind the turn some of the time, and this should be factored in. Also by the time he does bet the turn, i think you then have enough info to make folding better than calling or shoving. If he checks the turn and you check behind, i would feel ok calling a PSB on the river dud. If he checks the river too, i generally bet 3/4 of the pot and fold to a c/r.

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

whoa gabe sighting

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Yah i am considering hibernating less.... so what do you think, i still got it?

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

you have a good point that even if he won't 3-bet JJ or AQ, he could still have 97o or 33

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reraise the hell out of him preflop. he's loose and passive. what more could you possibly want to make a big reraise with KK? It's tailor made...

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reraise the hell out of him preflop. he's loose and passive. what more could you possibly want to make a big reraise with KK? It's tailor made...

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175 bb deep? what is the goal? to get all in with him?

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bleh hate it

i'd 4town it preflop, as played i'd certainly call at least one bet

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zomg I think the same as CTS

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Also to add that against these guys, they have such a hard time folding something like JJ-AA and also AQ,AK. They aren't going to wait half an hour for a hand and just 3bet/fold pf. That's why I want an all in pf. Whereas if you just flat call pf and something like Ace high flops, he's not likely to felt it with QQ, JJ whereas he would preflop

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to have him call off his whole stack with a worse hand. that's what loose/passives do...

and yes, of course i'm getting it all in with him...

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to have him call off his whole stack with a worse hand. that's what loose/passives do...

and yes, of course i'm getting it all in with him...

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loose passives 5-bet with QQ?

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

yes and AK. it's not like he raises zero hands.

besides, you dont know he's going to 5bet. it's much more likely he's going to call and then call the rest on the flop.

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wtf call

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telling me to call without giving me a turn plan isn't really helpful, no offense

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What ggbman said. Seems obvious to me. You don't have enough information to fold by far. Now, after you coldcall pre and call flop, then you'll have some info and can eval his turn-play. His range is wide still. Everybody bluffs after raising pre, so you gotta call.

Patrick Antonius would call with bottom pair.

Re: KK vs tight 3-bet
 

id 4 bet all day

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wtf call

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telling me to call without giving me a turn plan isn't really helpful, no offense

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What ggbman said. Seems obvious to me. You don't have enough information to fold by far. Now, after you coldcall pre and call flop, then you'll have some info and can eval his turn-play. His range is wide still. Everybody bluffs after raising pre, so you gotta call.

Patrick Antonius would call with bottom pair.

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he'd also turn trips ftw

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Pop it PF, and I call/fold turn UI.