5/10 play-along vs a reg
 

Haven't done one of these in a while and thought this was an interesting hand.

Villain is Birdstone44. I feel like I played against him a LOT several month ago, but haven't played with him in a while. I'm only playing him now because I'm playing during the early evening, which I almost never do. In any case, I have him running around 27/23 this session but no real history.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1407.25
CO: $676
Button: $2103.75
SB: $510
TWP: $1715.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) TWP is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $40</font>, TWP...?

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call call omg whats next!?!?!

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Preflop is boring and can probably go either way, so I'll just post the flop, too. But feel free to discuss preflop if you think one option is much better than another.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1407.25
CO: $676
Button: $2103.75
SB: $510
TWP: $1715.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) TWP is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $40</font>, TWP calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80, 2 players)
SB checks, TWP...?

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call call omg whats next!?!?!

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LOL, I was in the middle of posting it, you jerk.

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SB has 50bb, bet/call seems like the only option

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bet/calll fo sheezy. tp in blinds is teh nuts

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Do you guys have any idea what his range would be for a c/r, though? I definitely feel like I have no idea...

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3bet

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OK, well most people like a bet, it seems, as did I. And he didn't c/r, so even though I would love to know what you guys think his range is for c/r'ing (because I have no clue) I'll post the turn, too, because that's where I was uncertain what to do for realz.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1407.25
CO: $676
Button: $2103.75
SB: $510
TWP: $1715.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) TWP is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $40</font>, TWP calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">TWP bets $55</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($190, 2 players)
SB checks, TWP...?

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Do you guys have any idea what his range would be for a c/r, though? I definitely feel like I have no idea...

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draws, frustration c/r, etc

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i would check it back on the turn

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i would check it back on the turn

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do you think the 9 matters, or you'd check it back if it were a black 2, too?

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i would check it back on the turn

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do you think the 9 matters, or you'd check it back if it were a black 2, too?

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yeah i do think the 9 matters. i'd bet again if it was a black 2

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9 matters a lot, because he just made trips.

At least, middle pair is usually what I have when I give up initiative and check/call flop. Or QQ-TT.

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9 matters a lot, because he just made trips.

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how sure are you guys? are you just checking the turn and then folding on a 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river ?

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how sure are you guys? are you just checking the turn and then folding on a 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river ?

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Well, obviously I'm not that sure. I check turn, and pay off a normal-sized bet on river.

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raise bet bet bet betb be bb et bebe betb etbeb etb eatgh etb rteb et go allin hu tp good hand cant beat that

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how sure are you guys? are you just checking the turn and then folding on a 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river ?

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i think it's ridiculous to say he just made trips, but the other made hands he can have like JJ are not likely to bet the river. i have seen people show up with draws here a surprising amount. i'm also not sure he'd check again with trips and straight and 2 flush draws out. i def don't think its so clearcut

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No way am I folding if I checked back the turn on a 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] river. I also disagree about the 9 making him trips all the time. There are plenty of hands he could have here. TT-QQ, TJ, Heart draw, etc. It depends on how he plays his draws; but if you check behind the turn he could easily have a draw that was going for a c/r on the turn and then decides to bluff the river.

If you're checking behind the turn you should be calling pretty much anything on a deuce river.

Edit: Crap. Pretty much everything Josh said.

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so are there any rivers you'd fold to if you check the turn? a heart? a straight card? a diamond?

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I doubt he c/c flop with a draw. So I check it back and see what happens.

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I'll fold to Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]... maybe A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] too.

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so are there any rivers you'd fold to if you check the turn? a heart? a straight card? a diamond?

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I fold if he bets a heart river. Call on diamond rivers. For straight cards call J obviously, sometimes fold Q river. Definitely fold Qh river. Same with 7. Call x% of the time on a 7 river and always fold 7h.

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well now i know why i was confused on the turn. you guys are split pretty evenly between all three options with bet/fold lagging a bit behind the other two... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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well now i know why i was confused on the turn. you guys are split pretty evenly between all three options with bet/fold lagging a bit behind the other two... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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who said anything other than check turn?

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the poll people

edit: and dan bright. and the poll is currently 15 for check, 15 for bet/call and 5 for bet/fold.

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edit: and dan bright. and the poll is currently 15 for check, 15 for bet/call and 5 for bet/fold.

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Getting c/r on the turn makes me vomit because he's likely to do it with all of his range. Therefore I check the turn.

Edit: I shouldn't have said all of his range. He's not doing it with TT-QQ. You're up against draws,9's, and AK.

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raise bet bet bet betb be bb et bebe betb etbeb etb eatgh etb rteb et go allin hu tp good hand cant beat that

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Check, you're not getting 3 streets vs QQ.

If he bets the river I mostly call bc I am a station. Also I want to know what he has.

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PUSH IT ALL IN PREFLOP, POT ODDS YO

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-call pf is std...... you got position and your hand sucks in a reraised pot and yadada
-i'd bet/call the flop b/c no one c/r a strong hand on this board


What I don't understand why everyone is saying check or bet/call the turn... it would take a huge bluff to c/r something other than a 9... not to mention if the villain chose to bluff he'd prob do it with a hand that had decent equity against us. So bet/call seems out.

I hate the check on the turn because you are missing value on draws. If you assuming he isn't c/r bluffing on the turn (seems pretty safe to me) then it seems you are missing out on a lot of value against a large portion of his range.

Also if you are so scared of the 9... betting out here and getting raised costs the same as calling the river, so why not value the drawing portion of the villains range?

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Check, you're not getting 3 streets vs QQ.

If he bets the river I mostly call bc I am a station. Also I want to know what he has.

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I think most ppl who check the flop with QQ aren't gonna let go of it, esp with 50bb stacks

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Check, you're not getting 3 streets vs QQ.

If he bets the river I mostly call bc I am a station. Also I want to know what he has.

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I think most ppl who check the flop with QQ aren't gonna let go of it, esp with 50bb stacks

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Oh yes, I didn't notice stacks. Yeah bet away.

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bet turn, fold to a raise, if called c/f river

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PF: Pretty standard call, IMO.

Flop: Bet/call seems awfully standard here. I'm more than happy to get it in, in this spot.

Turn: When I'm running good, I just keep blasting away here, and don't ever fold. I see people call down with AT and crap all the time, or show up with a weird bluff.

Checking and planning on picking off most river bets looks fine too.

EDIT: heh, somehow I kinda skipped over reads. Flop play still holds, but I'm a lot more likely to check vs a decent reg. On the river, you can fold on a blank sometimes.

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raise bet bet bet betb be bb et bebe betb etbeb etb eatgh etb rteb et go allin hu tp good hand cant beat that

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-call pf is std...... you got position and your hand sucks in a reraised pot and yadada
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What about against a SB who is raising you 3 out of 4 times in your blind battles? Wouldn't this hand warrant a raise? and this guys is 27/23, he's obviously raising lite. I think i'd be happy to 3-bet this pf.

As played, bet flop, check turn, call most rivers... you did your job in keeping the pot reasonable by checking the turn, allowing you to call river bets. If he has trip 9s, so be it.

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Flop: Bet/call seems awfully standard here. I'm more than happy to get it in, in this spot.



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How deep are we? I mean if we are 100bbs deep, and its a non 3-bet(pf) pot, you are happy stacking w/ kings (jack kicker?)

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pf call; rather rep a worse hand by calling than rep a good hand by raising when if he calls i could be on planet reverse implied.

flop bet obv bet. fold to check raise.

turn check, you dont want to risk being semi bluffed off the best hand. if your betting for value, there isnt a great deal that's calling you. better to induce a bluff from him on river or if he checks river, he may think you made a standard stab on the flop, and so are now bluffing river and youll get called by hands you wouldnt of on turn.

river call if he bets for reason above, if checked to value bet for reason above.