$16-AKs, dumb spot
 

Weird spot, I never know what to do here....

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1580
UTG+1: t1235
MP1: t1410
MP2: t1430
MP3: t1645
CO: t2680
Button: t1295
SB: t635
Hero: t1590

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t45)</font>, MP2 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t105)</font>, Button folds, SB calls t15 <font color="aaaaaa"></font>Hero?.

Results:
Final pot: t150

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

I just shove no reason not to.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

I'm not ecstatic about pushing this early, but it's definitely unexploitable, and I'd probably end up doing it. Against one or two limpers, I'd probably make a more traditional raise.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

I raise to 180-200. If this had been 25/50 with that many limpers then I lean towards shoving.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

i dont really want some smarty pants putting me on AK and calling my AI with a small pair here. why not just raise 180-210 and see a flop ( if anyone calls). that push is kind of screaming AK if you ask me. and its too early to enjoy flipping.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

What speaks against shoving, is that there isn't much money to be earned if everyone does fold and you don't really want to get into coinflip situations on purpose here.

I like a more traditional raise, something like 200-220. Playing OOP sucks, but you have a strong hand, and should be happy to build a pot anyways.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

Shoving isn't bad, you get looked up by AJ+ or even worse very often in $16s. With that said I think you can get a lot more value with a raise pf.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

nice bets kev and holy [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 3 posts at the same time , saying the same thing...

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

Check or 200. I think shoving is pretty bad, although clearly +EV there are much more you can gain more by taking alternate line. I agree about shoving at 25/50.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

shoving = bad

if these guys are total calling stations, I would probably just check and try and play a small pot out of position. I don't really like raising out of position so bad with out something like QQ+

If they are solid players who can fold preflop, I would lean toward raising and pricing out the small PP limpers.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

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shoving = bad

if these guys are total calling stations, I would probably just check and try and play a small pot out of position. I don't really like raising out of position so bad with out something like QQ+

If they are solid players who can fold preflop, I would lean toward raising and pricing out the small PP limpers.

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It's too early to know anything about the other players tendencies. Checking is bad.

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

By checking you...

Might bust someone with AJ, KQ, ect... post-flop
Dont have to play the pot OOP with an awkward stack size and a hand that misses the flop 63% of the time

I don't know if I like raising AI this early on. You pretty much risk getting busted trying to win t150

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

I check. Not good to play oop against the lot of oponnetns that will call the raise.
I agree with a shove on 25/50.
IMO: check&gt;&gt;push&gt;&gt;raise

Re: $16-AKs, dumb spot
 

Only like 120 in pot after the limp-fest. That's not enough monies for me to shove 50x BB yet.

Raise for value to about 180-200.