Zeitgeist part I - \"The Greatest Story Ever Told\" (Christianity,et al)
 

ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Official Release - Part 1 of 3:

"The Greatest Story Ever Told"

This section explores the little known foundations of the Cult of Equinoctial Christolatry (Christianity) which, unannounced to most, rests in the astrotheological belief systems of the ancient world.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...75979627863972

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2...4234393mo1.jpg


The full movie ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5331&hl=en ) has received over 330K views in about two weeks.


I think the people here would be interested in their take on the evolution of the Christian religion.

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Do you have independent proof of the claims about the God Horus? Specifically it's claimed that he shared many of the tales of Jesus. While it's true that Jesus shared some mythology with other Gods/legends of the time, the Horus Wikipedia page makes no mention of these with regard to Horus, and in fact the story appears to be inconsistent with the video.

BTW this led me to wikipedia page on Judaism, and I'm surprised to find

- The Torah barely mentions Jesus
- The references therein are subject to debate, and downright inconsistent (i.e. it mentions a stoning)
- In the 1500s, the evil pig of a pope issued a Fatwah (ok, a papal bull), which censored a whole heap of Jewish texts and removed references unflattering to Christianity. It makes we wonder even more about the existence of Jesus, as the historical references to Jesus are ridiculously scant and suspect, all survive as copies of copies written by Christian scholars, and the Church underwent systematic attempts to remove material damaging to the bible's account.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism's_view_of_Jesus

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I'm about halfway through and did the standard and fruitless wikipedia fact-checking as well. Can anyone provide any sources for where this information comes from? I find it fascinating, and would love to point people to it, but not if their claims are unfounded.

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Here is the thread we had about the jesus <-> horus connection:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=9675622

of course it turned into a discussion about something else, but here were my responses to that thread.

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As the Egyptologist says: "This theory is not held by anyone in the actual field."

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Gordon,
Better be careful !
>Horus was born of the virgin Isis on Dec. 25<
Horus was born from Isis, having been fathered post mortem by Osiris. I don’t think Isis is a “virgin” in Egyptian religion, in the manner that husbandless Asiatic goddesses such as Anat, Baal’s spouse and mother, were. I don’t remember reading that Horus was born on Dec. 25th and I’m sure this would have been highlighted if it had been the case ! It’s true that early representations in Egypt of Maria and Jesus are sometimes impossible to distinguish from Isis + Horus.
>He was a child teacher, and baptised at 30
He had twelve disciples
No idea where you got this from.
>He performed miracles and raised El-Azar from dead<
I assume this is an allusion to Lazarus. Horus was a god and all gods have supernatural powers and perform miracles. By El-Azar you must mean Osiris : this god was given back his fertility after he died, by Isis, so that he could father Horus. But in the ritual the eldest son who does the funerary cult of his father is called “Horus”, so that one could say that during the cult Horus “raises Osiris from the dead”. Astonishingly, Horus is thus shown watching the scene of his own fathering by the dead Osiris and Isis as a kite.
>He walked on water<
No idea where you got this from. Egyptian gods are shown navigating on the waters of Heaven, and Horus as a hunter in the marshes.
>He was transfigured on the Mount<
The ascension towards “Heaven” on a podium with steps was an important phase of Egyptian rituals, and indeed represented becoming a (celestial) deity. This was probably also the case in the Levant, where gods dwelled on top of mountains or where artificial mounds were built associated with temples. Whether there’s a parallel with the crucifixion on Golgotha, I don’t know, but it’s true that Christian religion has taken some symbols from pagan Levantine religions, so it’s possible.
>He was crucified and resurrected<
Maybe Attis and Adonis were, but I don’t think that Osiris was crucified. He was in a way resurrected though, as with so many seasonal deities in the Near East. IMHO the origin of the Christian resurrection idea must be sought in Phoenicia rather than in Egypt.
>He was the Good Shepherd<
AFAIK this was Osiris, as Andjti, not Horus.
He was the fisher, lamb, lion (Ichthys)
Horus is often represented on a boat, spearing a hippopotamus, a crocodile or a turtle, all representations of his antagonist deity Seth. Horus as a lamb doesn’t ring a bell, but the Ram / Goat of Mendes (Ba-neb-Djedet) was a form of Osiris. There are representations of Horus and Seth as lions. Osiris may have been assimilated with a fish deity, but linking this with the Christian ichthus (Iêsous Christos Theou Uios Sôtêr, “Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Savior”) is a bold leap !
>He was "Iusa" son of "Ptah", the father<
Iusaas was a goddess, a personification linked with the masturbation thanks to which the Creator god Atum managed to father the first couple of deities, although he was alone. The name is hard to translate but could mean something like “As soon as she existed, she was already great”. The son of Ptah (“the Fashioner” rather than “the Father” ?) wasn’t Horus really, but Nefertum, a nice-smelling regenerated god represented by a flower.
JD


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I do not know the religious affiliation of these two people, but i'm guessing JD is probably atheist?

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Also from your link:
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Reactions of Egyptologists:

Ward Gasque, a volunteer book reviewer for Amazon.com surveyed twenty contemporary Egyptologists. He asked them about the origins of Jesus' name, the relationship between Horus and Jesus, whether both experienced a virgin birth, and whether the Egyptian religion considered Hourus to be an incarnation of God.

Ten responded, They agreed:
bullet Jesus' name is a Greek form of a very common Semitic name Jeshu'a, which is normally translated into English as Joshua.
bullet There is no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, that he had twelve disciples, or that he was considered incarnation of God.


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but i'm going to watch the video now and see what interesting things it talks about.

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I think the people here would be interested in their take on the evolution of the Christian religion.


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I looked at the first few minutes. We've already done this. See Tektonics.

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I'm about halfway through and did the standard and fruitless wikipedia fact-checking as well. Can anyone provide any sources for where this information comes from? I find it fascinating, and would love to point people to it, but not if their claims are unfounded.

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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/clarifications.htm


And in an email the author(s) sent around:
Otherwise, I am working fast to get a wealth of supporting information / documentation on my website. Specifically, an interactive transcript of the entire work with sources to support every claim. I am also soon going to have a DIVX and IPOD download and an "Audio Book" (Sound File) of the music and narration for download as well.

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Interesting, but not nearly as interesting as Part III

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Any responses of people who watched?

I thought it explained what we see around us very well. I really see Christianity and related cults as sun-worshippers, and worshippers of the constellations and the changing seasons.

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- The Torah barely mentions Jesus


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The Torah does not mention Jesus at all. There is one story about him in the Gemara.

As i understand it, Jesus, a known scholar, went into the temple where he was told the full name of god for prayer use. To avoid the typical instant amnesia that occurs when one exits the temple, Jesus wrote the name on paper and sowed the paper into his skin. After leaving the temple he used the name to fly and was only stopped by a Cohen Gadol who flew above him and urinated so the impurity forced Jesus to descend.

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Here is the thread we had about the jesus <-> horus connection:

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Radio interview with the author where he elaborates on these things and his sources:

http://truthorlies.org/06-28-07-Hour-2.mp3




Viewcount of the movie: 530K.

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Some of us don't have the time or interest to listen to long winding interviews. From the list you gave earlier, it seems his sources are all pop culture books. No actual historian appears to agree with that account of Horus and the known Horus story itself doesn't fit with his claims.

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Viewcount of the movie: 530K.

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So? That's nothing but an embarrassment if the movie's claims are false.

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Part 3's part with JFK talking about the Bilderberg Group/secret societies that rule the world today is [censored] eery. Then a lone nut killed him of course ... right ?

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Part 3's part with JFK talking about the Bilderberg Group/secret societies that rule the world today is [censored] eery. Then a lone nut killed him of course ... right ?

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James Fetzer - JFK
http://www.youtube.com/w/?v=a0rUiuNG1-E

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Because its on the internet, it must be true! Da Vinci code part 2?

I stopped watching when they claimed Jesus was born on the 25th of December which everyone should know is just a feast day. It is no secret that the Early Church purposely Christianized pagan customs and practices to aid in evangelization.

There is no evidence to substantiate what the documentary is claiming about the beliefs of ancient religions, as has already been shown here by the lack of info on Horus.

Also, the Christian Gospels are an historical account of the life and acts of Jesus Christ written from four different perspectives. That they don't contradict while telling the same story is proof enough of their veracity as a historical document.

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Also, the Christian Gospels are an historical account of the life and acts of Jesus Christ written from four different perspectives. That they don't contradict while telling the same story is proof enough of their veracity as a historical document.

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No, not even close, unless you can establish authorship and independence of composition.

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Also, the Christian Gospels are an historical account of the life and acts of Jesus Christ written from four different perspectives. That they don't contradict while telling the same story is proof enough of their veracity as a historical document.

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No, not even close, unless you can establish authorship and independence of composition.

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Ugh, the authors are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And they wrote the gospels separately.

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Also, the Christian Gospels are an historical account of the life and acts of Jesus Christ written from four different perspectives. That they don't contradict while telling the same story is proof enough of their veracity as a historical document.

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No, not even close, unless you can establish authorship and independence of composition.

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Ugh, the authors are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And they wrote the gospels separately.

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lol establishments

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Viewcount of the movie: 530K.

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The fact that you have quoted viewcounts twice now makes me extremely skeptical before I even look at the first frame. Is the fact that lots of people watched this supposed to be evidence of something other than the fact that lots of people watched it? (Note that we don't even know how accurate the viewcounts are as those could easily be fudged or inflated.)

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Interesting, but not nearly as interesting as Part III

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The ironic thing is that the first part of the movie bashes Christianity, while the third part condemns an immoral banking system based on usury, the corruption of which is condemned by Christian teaching.

To change the world, the makers of this movie should unite Christians to their cause rather than hide in their parent's basement where the aliens can't find them.

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The ironic thing is that the first part of the movie bashes Christianity, while the third part condemns an immoral banking system based on usury, the corruption of which is condemned by Christian teaching.

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and isn't it ironic? dont ya think. a little too ironic.

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To change the world, the makers of this movie should unite Christians to their cause rather than hide in their parent's basement where the aliens can't find them.

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False dichotomy. Get out of the basement, and unite the rational thinkers.

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Also, the Christian Gospels are an historical account of the life and acts of Jesus Christ written from four different perspectives. That they don't contradict while telling the same story is proof enough of their veracity as a historical document.

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"There are actually some 200 gospels, epistles and other books concerning the life of Jesus Christ. Writing such material was a popular literary form, particularly in the 2nd century. The pious fantasies competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others. After three centuries of wrangling 23 other books were accepted by the Church as divinely inspired. The rest were declared 'pious frauds'. In truth, the whole lot belongs to a genre of literary FICTION."
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/


Read about the gospels here:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/fabrication.html

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Viewcount of the movie: 530K.

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The fact that you have quoted viewcounts twice now makes me extremely skeptical before I even look at the first frame. Is the fact that lots of people watched this supposed to be evidence of something other than the fact that lots of people watched it? (Note that we don't even know how accurate the viewcounts are as those could easily be fudged or inflated.)

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It is supposed to be evidence that a lot of people have gotten exited about this movie (and thus are spreading the word in various ways). It's very hard to get such kinds of viewcounts.

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Is www.jesusneverexisted.com a neutral site?

Do you have any other, non-biased, sources providing evidence that Jesus brought down the world trade center? I'd like to read up on it.

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Is www.jesusneverexisted.com a neutral site?

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Neutral compared to what?


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Do you have any other, non-biased, sources providing evidence that Jesus brought down the world trade center? I'd like to read up on it.

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JNE provides sources just about everywhere. Good luck with the investigation.

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Neutral compared to a scholarly journal.

For example, when I clicked on the link, the first thing I noticed in bold letters was the phrase, "Jesus - the imaginary friend". This phrase implies the site is not neutral, i.e. they aren't interested in an honest investigation. I'm sure it's fun to read though and good for a few chuckles, so knock yourself out.

You could also compare its neutrality to a fundie site claiming to have disproven evolution. Those sites are clearly not neutral. Since www.jesusneverexisted.com is about equivalent in neutrality, it is safe to say that neither website is neutral.

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While the site probably isn't impartial (I don't know), the idea itself isn't that ridiculous. Here's the (completely impartial) straight dope on the issue of who killed Jesus:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mjesuskill.html
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Jesus looms so large in world history that it may come as a shock to realize his unimportance during his lifetime.... Tacitus and other non-Christian writers offer no evidence about Jesus, his life, or his death--only about the religion of his followers....The primary non-biblical resource concerning Israel at that time is Josephus...Another problem is that we have no originals of Josephus' work. We have copies preserved (and edited) by Christian scribes. Thus, passages in Josephus proclaiming that Jesus "was the Messiah" who "taught the truth" and was "restored to life" after his death are viewed by almost all scholars as later edits.

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I think if you were a betting man, you'd have to put the line at >10% that Jesus never existed based solely on the strange lack of evidence.

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>10% seems incredibly high (I'm kind of curious to what odds Nielsio would give, since he thinks www.jesusneverexisted.com is a good non-biased source for finding truth).

I own a book titled Jesus as a Figure in History (Powell). It's a completely neutral academic discussion on the man Jesus. It discusses, among other things the "Jesus Seminar", a seminar devoted to collecting and discussing every fragment of historical evidence mentioning Jesus. The possibility of Jesus being entirely made up is, to put it bluntly, completely dismissed by the historians. Most of them have no religious devotion whatsoever to Christianity. Given that the only people who honestly claim that jesusneverexisted(.com) belong to fringe internet sites and the idea is never taken seriously among academicians, I think it is safe to say it is almost certain that Jesus existed. If I had the time and inclination, I could put together a site www.georgewashingtonneverexisted.com. I bet I could get some people to bite.

Arguing about the details of his life is very different than saying he never existed in the first place, by the way. I would certainly give action on anyone giving >9:1 that Jesus never existed. Given the common opinion of modern historians I think I would easily give as much as 1000:1.

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I think it is safe to say it is almost certain that Jesus existed. ... Arguing about the details of his life is very different than saying he never existed in the first place, by the way.

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Actually, depending on how many of the details are argued, it could be the same thing. No sane person thinks that nobody named Jesus ever existed. So, which details of the Biblical Jesus' life have to be true in order to say that "Jesus existed"?

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Neutral compared to a scholarly journal.

For example, when I clicked on the link, the first thing I noticed in bold letters was the phrase, "Jesus - the imaginary friend". This phrase implies the site is not neutral, i.e. they aren't interested in an honest investigation. I'm sure it's fun to read though and good for a few chuckles, so knock yourself out.

You could also compare its neutrality to a fundie site claiming to have disproven evolution. Those sites are clearly not neutral. Since www.jesusneverexisted.com is about equivalent in neutrality, it is safe to say that neither website is neutral.

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Like I said:

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JNE provides sources just about everywhere. Good luck with the investigation.

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FWIW, I couldn't care less about 'scholarly' or not. There is a lot of crap coming out of the 'scientific' community, and it's always better to make up your own mind.

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I watched the video once.
Very fascinated at first. I watched the whole thing before pondering its validity, and most of the ideas seemed logical, though likely to be a stretch. Then I read all the replies and actually started looking for evidence.

The audio clip with the author was a bit long-winded and rambly BUT it did kind of seem like the guy did some homework about this stuff. Yet to check up on all of his references, and I'm not sure I'm going to take the time to do that, but I just thought I'd mention that he did sound somewhat legit. Passionate, a little TOO excessive with some stuff, (but that's prolly normal because this is his "crusade" or what-have-you.)

I'm currently watching Z a second time.


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Do you have independent proof of the claims about the God Horus? Specifically it's claimed that he shared many of the tales of Jesus. While it's true that Jesus shared some mythology with other Gods/legends of the time, the Horus Wikipedia page makes no mention of these with regard to Horus, and in fact the story appears to be inconsistent with the video.

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This is a legitimate concern, but the video (and wiki, really) seem to work around this. Here's some stuff from
Wiki:

Horus
Egyptian Mytho
<font color="blue"> and his earliest connections are to the sky and kingship </font>
<font color="blue"> </font> <font color="blue"> Because the cult of Horus survived for the whole of the Ancient Egyptian civilization he gained many forms and associations.</font>
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Albeit I don't see the 25th of December on the wiki page or an explicit Jesus-Horus link. The whole idea can still remain consistent and plausible to me. Not like "ZOMG CONSPIRACY" but, heck, it does make some interesting points.

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I watched the video once.
Very fascinated at first. I watched the whole thing before pondering its validity, and most of the ideas seemed logical, though likely to be a stretch. Then I read all the replies and actually started looking for evidence.

The audio clip with the author was a bit long-winded and rambly BUT it did kind of seem like the guy did some homework about this stuff. Yet to check up on all of his references, and I'm not sure I'm going to take the time to do that, but I just thought I'd mention that he did sound somewhat legit. Passionate, a little TOO excessive with some stuff, (but that's prolly normal because this is his "crusade" or what-have-you.)

I'm currently watching Z a second time.


From Phil's first response to OP:
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Do you have independent proof of the claims about the God Horus? Specifically it's claimed that he shared many of the tales of Jesus. While it's true that Jesus shared some mythology with other Gods/legends of the time, the Horus Wikipedia page makes no mention of these with regard to Horus, and in fact the story appears to be inconsistent with the video.

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This is a legitimate concern, but the video (and wiki, really) seem to work around this. Here's some stuff from
Wiki:

Horus
Egyptian Mytho
<font color="blue"> and his earliest connections are to the sky and kingship </font>
<font color="blue"> </font> <font color="blue"> Because the cult of Horus survived for the whole of the Ancient Egyptian civilization he gained many forms and associations.</font>
(quotes in blue)

Albeit I don't see the 25th of December on the wiki page or an explicit Jesus-Horus link. The whole idea can still remain consistent and plausible to me. Not like "ZOMG CONSPIRACY" but, heck, it does make some interesting points.

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Excellent.

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http://imagesource.allposters.com/im...nt-Posters.jpg

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Excellent.

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You applaud when someone gets false information?

There is zero historical basis for many of the claims of the Jesus-Horus link made in this video.

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FWIW, I couldn't care less about 'scholarly' or not. There is a lot of crap coming out of the 'scientific' community, and it's always better to make up your own mind.

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You seriously think it is better to "make up your own mind" using purported facts listed on a site like www.jesusneverexisted.com over professional academicians' and historians' reasearch and opinions?

I could understand your disdain for the "crap" coming out of the scientific community if you are somehow doing the original research yourself, and you find out using first hand knowledge that other scientists are likely wrong. But "making up your own mind" by the source you listed, and preferring them OVER the perspective of professionals is really really dumb unless you have a compelling reason. Wanting "your" website to be true because you think the opinion is really cool (and you like how they present dubious information as facts) is not a good reason, by the way. Especially when it is at the expense of real research.

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FWIW, I couldn't care less about 'scholarly' or not. There is a lot of crap coming out of the 'scientific' community, and it's always better to make up your own mind.

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You seriously think it is better to "make up your own mind" using purported facts listed on a site like www.jesusneverexisted.com over professional academicians' and historians' reasearch and opinions? ... But "making up your own mind" by the source you listed, and preferring them OVER the perspective of professionals is really really dumb unless you have a compelling reason.

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I agree. See, atheists &amp; theists can agree on certain things!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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blasphemy



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The Torah does not mention Jesus at all. There is one story about him in the Gemara.

As i understand it, Jesus, a known scholar, went into the temple where he was told the full name of god for prayer use. To avoid the typical instant amnesia that occurs when one exits the temple, Jesus wrote the name on paper and sowed the paper into his skin. After leaving the temple he used the name to fly and was only stopped by a Cohen Gadol who flew above him and urinated so the impurity forced Jesus to descend.

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I was under this impression as well. If i recall it was also specific where he sowed it.

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I know that a lot of "professional academians and historians" have their answers set, and will do anything to make sure that whatever they do fits to those answers.


Btw,

Are you religious? What is your religion and what do you believe in.

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I know that a lot of "professional academians and historians" have their answers set, and will do anything to make sure that whatever they do fits to those answers.


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It's a good thing random internet sites and SMP posters would never do this. Good thing.