100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Villain is 18/8/3 over 110 hands. This is a b/f or b/c?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $99.00
BB: $161.95
Hero (BTN): $106.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: ($9) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>, SB calls $7.00

Turn: ($23) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero ???

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Any bet basically commits you, so bet/call

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Does anyone see any merit here to a risky check here? Hope to induce a bluff from busted ah hands and to disguise your hand meaning you can extract alot of value from alot of semi-decent hands you beat on the river? Obviously you have to be prepared to throw the hand away on alot of rivers, but does the extra value gained (assuming he hasn't turned the flush) make up for this?

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Checking sucks.

free shots to hands that have lots of outs to beat you are no fun.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

That's true, but you're also going to get alot of value out of hands you beat with it, you haven't got a great deal invested in the pot right now, either, so folding a river that hits isn't going to hurt and it wont be a difficult decision. I'm not saying I would check, but is there any merit to it at all?

Also, as an aside, we could be the ones needing to draw to the free card, not them...I find it hard to believe they'd lay down a turned flush to a rivered boat the way the hand was played, too.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

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This is a b/f or b/c?


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Bet 20, fold to a raise.

If called, on the river I am checking through any heart.

If we call and a non heart hits the river, what is the plan? I want to bet but do no feel great about it.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

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Any bet basically commits you

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lol?

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

On the turn, the pot is 23 dollars. Lets say a standard bet here would be 20. So after we bet, we have 75 left.

If he decides to go all-in, the pot would be 131, and there would be 68 left to call. Are you seriously going to fold a set now? His range is definitely wide enough to justify a call.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

check.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

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Checking sucks.

free shots to hands that have lots of outs to beat you are no fun.

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free cards don't matter as much when the pot is small.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

If you're checking the turn here with any regularity, you have a semi huge leak.

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If you're checking the turn here with any regularity, you have a semi huge leak.

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This is pure falsehood. You probably think you are playing it perfectly all those times that you bet $20 here and villain folds.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

bet 10, call reraise, hope board pairs, extract if does/fold villan's bet if too big

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Please explain it to me then, Bilbo, because I have no idea how checking this turn could be better than betting it.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

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This is pure falsehood. You probably think you are playing it perfectly all those times that you bet $20 here and villain folds.

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I see where you're coming from, but don't you think that any T calls here anyway? Especially any T with a heart. It's 3 handed, and the board really isn't all that scary to something like AT/KT.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

Well pf I figured that he has a small/mid pp or his range is weighted heavily towards that. If he c/res me on the turn Im toast prolly by a AQs/AJs type hand. I didnt think a FD was a huge part of his range I actually checked the turn praying for a non heart. The board paired with a river 3 and he lead for $20, I pushed and he folded.

Re: 100nl: top set on 3 flush board against a nit
 

I don't think there are many hands that villain is going to just call a turn bet with. Unless he has a smaller set or JT, he's probably either folding or c/r you here.

You have a monster draw with a ton of outs and betting and getting shoved on really sucks. I'd check and hope to fill up /call a bet on the river otherwise.