The resteal is coming, what is my range?
 

Taj USPC 500$ event. 11 left. Play has grinded to a halt, and I have been pretty agressive. In the last 4 orbits, I accidentally exposed Q3o after raising from the SB, and getting jammed on (hand flipped when I tossed it into muck). I also jammed AQs when a MP player iso-raised a shorty (he mucked JJ, and would have flopped a set, so everyone was talking about the hand, mostly saying it was bad play by me, since the final table was so close).

I have raised the last 2 times from the button, and BB is very obviously getting testy, pretty obviously taking it personally, and berating me before his last fold.

6 handed. (12k/6k a 2k) Hero is 3rd in chips overall with about 250k. 2 players at my table have me barely covered, no one else has over 150k.

Folded to me on the button.
Before I look at my cards, I notice the BB sit up in his chair. I don't know if he has looked at his hand, but I am pretty sure he is coming over the top if I raise.

So, blind stealing is out, I am only raising a hand I will go all in with. What is my range? BB got most of his chips cold calling a raise from a tight EP (full table) player with ATo (for >10% of his stack) and putting half his stack in the middle before he turned a T, and took out AK.

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How deep is the BB?

edit: just saw you only have 20BB's

I like 99+, AJo+...

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sorry, I desperately need a converter for live hands. BB has me covered.

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lol at reads

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The USPC has started already??? I thought it was always in September?

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Yeah, I am not exactly a stare into your soul type of player. I concentrate more on trying to keep my play consistent. But, the best way to describe this spot was the dude suddenly sat straight up in his chair as soon as i started with my chip stack. Pretty much the most telegraphed play I have ever come across in a live event. He might as well have acted out of turn.

The sad thing is, he was definitely the only player I was a little bit worried about at the final 2 tables. Everyone else was more concerned with when the next player would bust, and they could make the final table.

TD, this is from the event in September, I was feeling left out of the WSOP talk, so I had to dig into the crates.

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anyone have an actual range for me?

The payout was typical, I think about 500$ a spot until 7, with 1st getting 20-30x 10th place. With the stack sizes, and lack of PF pushes, I think my edge is about as large as I could ever hope for.

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I dunno, its hard to give a read unless I really have the see the same tell that you did. I'd know my normal play and then I'd adjust it somehow, but ok the guy is in the BB and obviously doesn't want to get it raised, so its possible he's doing something to discourage you?

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I dunno, its hard to give a read unless I really have the see the same tell that you did. I'd know my normal play and then I'd adjust it somehow, but ok the guy is in the BB and obviously doesn't want to get it raised, so its possible he's doing something to discourage you?

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Yeah, I realize no one can have my read. Basically the guy
-has a big hand, and is excited
-is hamming it up to protect his blind
-is planning to resteal

At the time, I was as certain as I ever can be that he was raising, I felt like he would come over the top with any decent hand, and maybe atc.

So, if you have my read (as brilliant as it is). My question is

In the situation in this event, what hands do you raise here, knowing that there is a much much better than average chance that we will be getting all in?

I am planning to figure out the game theory ranges for both of us, but I wanted to see what people actually think first.

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I'm confused. Did you think he picked up a big hand and is thus going reraise you, or do you just think he is fed up and going to resteal you. Your opening range is basically dependent on what range he is going to shove you with. If you thought he was going to shove atc, then you'd raise whatever hands beat a random hand plus a few more due to pot odds.

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lol at game theory

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crazy stuff. but i really just wanted to say, u lvie in philly curtains? i will be right outside philly for teh next 4 years

edited: 4 yrs not 5 lol

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I'm confused. Did you think he picked up a big hand and is thus going reraise you, or do you just think he is fed up and going to resteal you. Your opening range is basically dependent on what range he is going to shove you with. If you thought he was going to shove atc, then you'd raise whatever hands beat a random hand plus a few more due to pot odds.

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I assumed from the way he had been reacting to my steals that he was going to play back at me soon. Then I picked up my 'tell' when I was contemplating my action preflop.

Basically, a pretty big part of his range was going to be weak resteals. I think a resteal is very likely. So, I don't want to raise unless I am willing to call a push. SB was at around 80k, and crazy tight, so he didn't matter much.

I don't know his range, it could be atc, or it could be something like any A, any 2 broadway, pairs.

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Wait? Are you trying to tell me that all of those PHD econ classes aren't useful in poker? What the F-! I know they were a complete waste for finance, but poker!?! Say it aint so!


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crazy stuff. but i really just wanted to say, u lvie in philly curtains? i will be right outside philly for teh next 4 years

edited: 4 yrs not 5 lol

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Well, I am glad we kept this thread local. I'm a Philly lifer myself.

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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crazy stuff. but i really just wanted to say, u lvie in philly curtains? i will be right outside philly for teh next 4 years

edited: 4 yrs not 5 lol

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yes that is where I live!

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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oh i didnt realize how many are left. i suppose it does make a difference, but not a big one. and i wasn't saying that I would raise/call that loose either. i'm not really sure what i would do.

The whole "tell" op says he might have picked up kinda throws me off. My normal play here if i feel like someone is prone to resteal me would be to raise almost any pair, maybe a8 or a9 +, kq and call their shove. If i picked up some live tell that he had a hand he liked, I guess I would tighten my opening range a lot, but i wouldn't trust my read that much.

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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oh i didnt realize how many are left. i suppose it does make a difference, but not a big one. and i wasn't saying that I would raise/call that loose either. i'm not really sure what i would do.

The whole "tell" op says he might have picked up kinda throws me off. My normal play here if i feel like someone is prone to resteal me would be to raise almost any pair, maybe a8 or a9 +, kq and call their shove. If i picked up some live tell that he had a hand he liked, I guess I would tighten my opening range a lot, but i wouldn't trust my read that much.

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probably makes more of a difference than you think, if you get allin you should need a relatively signifigant amount more equity. Ofc I don't know the prize strucure at all, so Im just speculating.

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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oh i didnt realize how many are left. i suppose it does make a difference, but not a big one. and i wasn't saying that I would raise/call that loose either. i'm not really sure what i would do.

The whole "tell" op says he might have picked up kinda throws me off. My normal play here if i feel like someone is prone to resteal me would be to raise almost any pair, maybe a8 or a9 +, kq and call their shove. If i picked up some live tell that he had a hand he liked, I guess I would tighten my opening range a lot, but i wouldn't trust my read that much.

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On bubble like this, I suspect its much much better to just go allin with A8 than raise and call an allin, because they can call with very few hands.

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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oh i didnt realize how many are left. i suppose it does make a difference, but not a big one. and i wasn't saying that I would raise/call that loose either. i'm not really sure what i would do.

The whole "tell" op says he might have picked up kinda throws me off. My normal play here if i feel like someone is prone to resteal me would be to raise almost any pair, maybe a8 or a9 +, kq and call their shove. If i picked up some live tell that he had a hand he liked, I guess I would tighten my opening range a lot, but i wouldn't trust my read that much.

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On bubble like this, I suspect its much much better to just go allin with A8 than raise and call an allin, because they can call with very few hands.

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Meh. When we've been raising a guy's BB a lot and he is becoming annoyed, I like a raise to induce the resteal here a lot better. Ax hands below a8 might shove, but if we outright shove most of those hands go into the muck. Either way mid pairs are playing

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hmmm, well assuming your standard raise is 30k at this level,you'd be getting like 1.35:1 if he pushes. So we need like 43% equity to call.

This hand is so read dependent because if you put him on a range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+, we can raise/call such a big range, like 22+,a5s+,a7o+,kjs+

i've lived in maryland all my life, but going to Villanova next year. will be fun

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Whoa there partner, chip EV definitely doesn't equal actual EV when you are 2 from the final table.

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oh i didnt realize how many are left. i suppose it does make a difference, but not a big one. and i wasn't saying that I would raise/call that loose either. i'm not really sure what i would do.

The whole "tell" op says he might have picked up kinda throws me off. My normal play here if i feel like someone is prone to resteal me would be to raise almost any pair, maybe a8 or a9 +, kq and call their shove. If i picked up some live tell that he had a hand he liked, I guess I would tighten my opening range a lot, but i wouldn't trust my read that much.

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On bubble like this, I suspect its much much better to just go allin with A8 than raise and call an allin, because they can call with very few hands.

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Meh. When we've been raising a guy's BB a lot and he is becoming annoyed, I like a raise to induce the resteal here a lot better. Ax hands below a8 might shove, but if we outright shove most of those hands go into the muck. Either way mid pairs are playing

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you probably dont want to race 97s here on a bubble against one of the few people who can bust you, when compared to just taking the chips, not to mention that if you push he can't really call with smallish pairs, and who knows if the guy is going to call 200+k with freaking A9, A8, AT etc.

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The structure was pretty typical. I think about 2k for 11th, up 500-1000$ per spot, til 7th, then pretty standard, with 1st 40-50kish.

Curtains touched on the point I hoped we would get to. Given the tournament factors, a lot of hands that would be +CEV to raise-call, make you more money open pushing. I think A8-A9 are close, since I suspect he jams any Ace, they are dominant a decent amount. Low-Mid pairs, probably do better jamming.


Anyway. My read was correct. I raised to 30k, he stared me down for 1 second, and gave the over-dramatic "ALL IN"

I beat him into the middle with TT. The look on his face, and him muttering "oh my god" was almost worth him hitting his A on the turn (A2o). Since this is a local thread, you guys might appreciate how long of drive home that was (14 hours of play, and I had been up until 5am the night before playing a super)

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So the USPC is going on right now?

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The USPC has started already??? I thought it was always in September?

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TD, this is from the event in September, I was feeling left out of the WSOP talk, so I had to dig into the crates.

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So the USPC is going on right now?

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Sure, sorry you missed it.

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Ahh didn't see that earlier in the thread, whoops.