does anyone bluff missed draws on river anymore?
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $6,642.30
BB: $2,000.00
UTG: $1,408.00
BTN: $1,910.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $60.00</font>, Hero calls $50.00, BB calls $40.00

Flop: ($180) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $140.00</font>, BB calls $140.00, BTN folds

Turn: ($460) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $320.00</font>, BB calls $320.00

River: ($1100) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $700.00</font>

Pot Size: $1,800.00

Re: does anyone bluff missed draws on river anymore?
 

no way you're ever good here.

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i'm thinking KJ is a strong possibility... while i think i'm usually beat in these spots, what hand can he have?

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Fold preflop. Check/fold flop. River is close and player dependent. Probably call.

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sometimes i fold preflop, sometimes i don't. as to flop advice, ew. and your river advice is ok since i can't put him on a goddamned hand other than KJ and i'd be surprised if KJ doesn't raise flop since only thing he loses to is QT.

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I guess sometimes you chop and sometimes he's whiffed, but those sometimeses are not oftens.

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I guess sometimes you chop and sometimes he's whiffed, but those sometimeses are not oftens.

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I agree with all of Ike's advice but river is rly player dependent- however I'd say its a fold vs the vast majority of villains

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nobody think u might see diamond draw with a queen or a 10 here quite a lot. the K is a great bluffing card on the end...

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all of you people saying it's a fold - can you please tell me what range of hands you put him on?

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all of you people saying it's a fold - can you please tell me what range of hands you put him on?

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People who say fold and people who say call are putting him on roughly the same range up until the river, I think. The ones who say fold are saying that he checks behind and loses a lot of the time if he has a missed draw.

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could this be a slowplayed KJ or AQ? I cant put him on a king here, i might look this up the first time just because nothing makes sense.

Was his image prior to the hand bad? Or is there some other reason to believe he might mix it up with AK-AJ preflop? That might help a little. I think the first time you can call this and adjust for later

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I def think KQ/KT are in his range bec you donk into him and who ever believe donk-bets? And it would be a weird way to play a draw...

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wtf @ this hand?!?!

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I think people are missing that Duck is donking into two players. BB is not the PFR.

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Why did you donk anyway?

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bla bla i dont play that high bla bla bla.
I think on the flop this guy has to have 2pair/FD/combo FD or very unlikely KQ or even more unlikely AQ.
With you beeing not the pf raiser and donking into him and he calls before he can see the action of PFR he has to have a draw or a real strong hand, and I dont think that any Ace which he doesnt repop pf is good enough to be considerd "strong" here.
His turnplay makes the naked draw pretty unlikely so I think he has to have a combo draw which he is bluffing on the river or 2pair.
On the river his range is {KJ,QJdd,QdXd,SCdd,AT},so I would be inclined to call this, since no naked King is really calling the turn after you bet 2x times into him.

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sometimes i fold preflop, sometimes i don't. as to flop advice, ew. and your river advice is ok since i can't put him on a goddamned hand other than KJ and i'd be surprised if KJ doesn't raise flop since only thing he loses to is QT.

[/ QUOTE ] You reraise AK 100% of the time? What about AJs? He is also beat every time button doesn't let go of his hand.

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all of you people saying it's a fold - can you please tell me what range of hands you put him on?

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You can easily come up with a bunch yourself. I would actually think he has a mediocre A (AT maybe) and is trying to get you off a chop, DON'T LET HIM!!
Seriously, a call here is definitely -EV longterm simply because you will be beat here the majority of the time, chopping much of the rest, and actually have the best hand maybe 10%.... yeah, that sounds about right i think.

Kirk

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ok whatever, i felt like an idiot calling because i know it is out of style to bluff missed draws but given he was not the PFR and he overcalled a small raise 4 handed rather than squeezing, i just couldn't give him much of a hand.

if the K had been a non diamond rather than the J i think i would have folded.

anyways i'm sure it's irrelevant but he showed 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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don't really like the play on any street

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don't really like the play on any street

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care to expound?

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don't really like the play on any street

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care to expound?

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i believe cole was trying to say that he disapproves of the way vanessa played the hand preflop, on the flop, on the turn, and on the river.

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so i'm curious.. do HSNL players check behind missed draws on the river now? or are they raise/folding the turn?

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don't really like the play on any street

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care to expound?

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i believe cole was trying to say that he disapproves of the way vanessa played the hand preflop, on the flop, on the turn, and on the river.

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haha

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