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MakeMuuney 07-06-2007 03:40 AM

NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
Cryptologic Network No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($115.31)
MP ($102.65)
Hero ($120.54)
Button ($95.28)
SB ($127.20)
BB ($102.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, MP calls $3, Hero calls $3, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($10.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $117.54</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $99.65 (All-In)</font>.

Turn: ($237.69) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
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River: ($237.69) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $237.69

Stats:

UTG: 25/18/5/320
MP: 33/22/2/36

What's your move on the Flop? I had lots of history with UTG and we were going at each other for a while. I figured to try to mix up my play here.

tubasteve 07-06-2007 03:45 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
wtf preflop
flop is fine

kekedarius 07-06-2007 03:58 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
3bet preflop. Flop is standard.

BombayBadboy 07-06-2007 04:55 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
There is no such thing as slowplaying AK preflop, just reraise. Flop play is fine, you will have 15 oiuts most of the time, plus a good chance to fold out small overpairs.

McRoNiX 07-06-2007 05:01 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
Raise PF.

paulnic 07-06-2007 06:22 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
all fine imo. u CANNOT always raise/rerasise with AKs u have to mix it up and occassionaly just call with it. im talking only about 1 out of 10 or perhaps even more but if u always raise with it thats not good poker. u should'nt ever do the same thing the same way every single time because that could add a small amount of predictability to your game. (IMO!!)

Colombo 07-06-2007 06:27 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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all fine imo. u CANNOT always raise/rerasise with AKs u have to mix it up and occassionaly just call with it. im talking only about 1 out of 10 or perhaps even more but if u always raise with it thats not good poker. u should'nt ever do the same thing the same way every single time because that could add a small amount of predictability to your game. (IMO!!)

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Or you could do the same thing with a large array of holdings. Really though, you are right but because of the cold-caller this is a 3bet 100% of the time.

MakeMuuney 07-06-2007 08:13 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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There is no such thing as slowplaying AK preflop, just reraise. Flop play is fine, you will have 15 oiuts most of the time, plus a good chance to fold out small overpairs.

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Assuming you are a very aggressive Player at a table and your raises don't earn proper respect. Would you consider slowplaying a hand like AKs rather than AA,KK,etc?

I tend to mix up my play, let's say 1/10 Times by just calling with Hands to disguise the strength of my Hand and to win Big if i hit correctly. I am not saying i call with AKs everytime, but whats wrong with doing so now and then? Especially if you know that you have no problem laying it down on Flop if there's not the proper flop.

tomek322 07-06-2007 08:19 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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Assuming you are a very aggressive Player at a table and your raises don't earn proper respect. Would you consider slowplaying a hand like AKs rather than AA,KK,etc.

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Assuming you aren't getting respect for your raises, is more the reason to raise. You want to get called light in these spots. Live I think you need to mix up play, but in the revolving door of online poker is there really a point. Raise your monsters, no real need to get tricky, unless you are playing the same guy over several tables and he seems competent.

reef2287 07-06-2007 08:28 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
and you have a cold caller from MP, someones calling your raise-- maybe if its just the button raising and we know hes very aggressive and can't fold top pair then maybe a call might be profitable in certain situations but no need to get fancy with more than one person in the hand

MakeMuuney 07-06-2007 08:29 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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Assuming you aren't getting respect for your raises, is more the reason to raise. You want to get called light in these spots. Live I think you need to mix up play, but in the revolving door of online poker is there really a point. Raise your monsters, no real need to get tricky, unless you are playing the same guy over several tables and he seems competent.

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Get what you are saying. UTG knows that I am playing back at him aggresiive for the past few Hands, 3-betting etc. Would you just call as I did if there was no caller before, occasionaly?

Unknown Soldier 07-06-2007 08:31 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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all fine imo. u CANNOT always raise/rerasise with AKs u have to mix it up and occassionaly just call with it. im talking only about 1 out of 10 or perhaps even more but if u always raise with it thats not good poker. u should'nt ever do the same thing the same way every single time because that could add a small amount of predictability to your game. (IMO!!)

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unecessary at this level

smellmuth 07-06-2007 08:31 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
this is a 100% 3 bet

tomek322 07-06-2007 08:34 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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Get what you are saying. UTG knows that I am playing back at him aggresiive for the past few Hands, 3-betting etc. Would you just call as I did if there was no caller before, occasionaly?

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Never ever, I would call with a tricky hand, hoping to stack him, by making frustrating raises on flop and turn. With a top 5 hand versus a frustrated opponent i would 3-bet. And even 3-bet slightly more, make it look like another "steal."

ValarMorghulis 07-06-2007 08:57 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
I think it's fine to call with AK especially against a tight UTG raiser.

mvdgaag 07-06-2007 10:02 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
Flop is standard.

Preflop a reraise would be standard, but a call is not too bad, even with one or two callers in between. Because your opponents are likely to call with a worse ace or king and think it might be good...
Yes it is more likely someone flops a better hand when you hit your ace or King, but it is also a lot more likely that someone will pay you when you give them a chance to bet a pair of aces or kings with worse kicker.

GL

Acein8ter 07-06-2007 10:47 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
There's 10.5 in the pot on the flop... Then you pop to 117 after a PSB and a re-raise when your on a FD? You hit your F on the turn, but I don't think it's a +EV play everytime your in this situation.

tubasteve 07-06-2007 10:54 AM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
theres a reason everyone says AK is the nuts. by having AK you cut the combos of AA and KK in half, and you are only a coinflip at worst against any other hand.

i never flatcall AK. ever. i will fold it sometimes preflop but seriously its the NUTS unless you have two nits raise and then 3-bet from UTG and UTG+1

MakeMuuney 07-06-2007 04:37 PM

Re: NL100 - slowplay AKs
 
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There's 10.5 in the pot on the flop... Then you pop to 117 after a PSB and a re-raise when your on a FD? You hit your F on the turn, but I don't think it's a +EV play everytime your in this situation.

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That's actually the reason why i posted this Hand! Didn't seem to catch any attention. Whats your plan on Flop if you think it is not +EV? Calling is worst because we don't know where we stand and we have no FE.


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