TPNFD in 3 way pot, standard?
 

These guys had been playing HU on this table just a few minutes ago. No reads on them, except for a very vague feeling that I'd played BB before and that he was bad. I was pretty unsure of this read though. Comments on all streets please, although I know PF is probably too loose.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $703.20
Hero: $405
Button: $475.20
SB: $134.06
BB: $849.08

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($44, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($44, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $36</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $100</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($344, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $180</font>, Hero folds

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bet flop

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Bet the flop, shove over a raise is what I consider standard.

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please bet that flop

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I like the hand as played.

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Ehh vs these guys I'd just bet the flop.

But vs others I can see cehcing here

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dont have to bet the flop

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I like the hand as played.

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perfect

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Bet the flop, shove over a raise is what I consider standard.

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and when this happens you have 9 outs just about always

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I agree the hand is played fine

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Bet the flop, shove over a raise is what I consider standard.

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and when this happens you have 9 outs just about always

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So true.

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Bet the flop, shove over a raise is what I consider standard.

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and when this happens you have 9 outs just about always

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So true.

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Yeah this is great.

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Cool. BB called with A8, UTG had 22.

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this is fine

my standard is to bet flop though, and call/shove over a raise (you often have 12 outs here btw) plus you may have FE, you may be good etc

playing this hand this way usually prevents you from winning a big pot btw...

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yeah shoving this flop is a terrible mistake

looks fine

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Can someone explain why river fold is standard?

Sets and 2pairs bet flop always right?

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you guys don't think preflop is bad?

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They bet usually, but not always. Also 22 is a small possibility. The fact that I cold called a rr on the turn, AND that BB called, shows a ton of strength, espcially since there aren't that many draws out there.

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think this is played v well.

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Someone explain to me why checking flop is ok?

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Someone explain to me why checking flop is ok?

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what hands are you getting value from by betting?

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Someone explain to me why checking flop is ok?

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what hands are you getting value from by betting?

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draws and it builds the pot for when you get there

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Someone explain to me why checking flop is ok?

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what hands are you getting value from by betting?

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Exactly what I'm thinking.


draws and it builds the pot for when you get there

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i think folding the river is beyong terrible

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Preflop may be a bit spewy but I have a soft spot for suited Aces as well because they make nut hands and pay well when they come through.

Flop I think is played perfectly. Those that say to bet/raise/shove/put your life in there....no. Not the right kind of combo draw you are looking for to gamble like that. Josh said it best. If you do get all the money in you are typically drawing to 9 outs. Bleh. Again, not all draws are created equal. People need to start recognizing this.

Turn, I like as well. If BB checked and UTG bet then I almost always raise for pure value. But with a bet and a raise, you can't go crazy. Obviously your hand is way to strong to fold and if reraised you are definetly trailing. Nice.

Just wondering what you do if BB comes over the top here on turn...

River, I don't think I could fold. But I saw results so nice one [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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oh we had this arguement before. i will bet this flop every [censored] time and get it in.

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flop is good imo.

turn is good imo.

river is close. but i like it.

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what hands are you getting value from by betting?

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Board: As 9c Kc
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.957% 21.88% 18.08% 18192 15036.00 { AQs-A2s, AQo-A2o }
Hand 1: 60.043% 41.96% 18.08% 34896 15036.00 { Ac2c }

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oh we had this arguement before. i will bet this flop every [censored] time and get it in.

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i think folding the river is beyong terrible

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This was my first thought; but it depends on how often UTG is going to be bluffing this river after his turn raise gets called in two spots. I don't think he's doing it very often and he's never value betting AQ here.

FWIW I agree about the flop bet/shove.

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flop is standard for me

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i think this thread shows who on 2+2 is worth listening to.

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Bet the flop, shove over a raise is what I consider standard.

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and when this happens you have 9 outs just about always

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Yah, and also almost no FE when you shove over a check-raise.

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oh we had this arguement before. i will bet this flop every [censored] time and get it in.

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i don't remember the thread but i think DJ sensai started asking the question in a thread four or six months ago, it was just about checking behind here or whatever.

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btw looking at the logisitcs of this, first thing is that pfr checked, meaning he'll almost never CR you bc it's so beyond standard for him to lead this flop with anything storopng- anyways, you bet this flop, he can CC you with worse, you can get CR by the cold caller with draws that you CRUSH, equity wise. also, i bet this flop like 86% time when checked to (maybe more) so it would go hand in hand with my gf shania and this is prolly near the top of my range when checked to

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what do you guys do if BB shoves the turn and UTG folds? Easy call getting more than 2-1?

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what do you guys do if BB shoves the turn and UTG folds? Easy call getting more than 2-1?

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2:1 on the turn with what appears to be a naked flushdraw? nnnnn

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at first i thought call river would be better, but since you coldcalled on the turn without any kind of odds for a naked drawing hand, and he's still firing, i think the river fold is solid.

flop checkbehind is good, anybody who says otherwise needs to check themselves.