Soft games and American players?
 

Hi,
I am soon to be moving my cash out of Eurobet (which I wouldnt recommend) and looking for a new site. Primarily I want a soft site with lots of fishies. Having looked around the forums, I have some idea of what people are suggesting, but I have a question?
Before US legislation changed, most felt, in the UK at least, that the softest games were to be found where Americans played, especially party poker. Now it seems, the sites with big US traffic have reputations as the tough sites? Does anyone agree/disagree with this. I have always fancied playing at pokerstars due to traffic but seeing as there is no decent bonus, rakeback, and a tough reputation Im not too sure. At the moment my choice is between bodog (soft rep, decent software, and decent traffic) and pacific (awful software seemingly but super soft). Anyone have suggestions?

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Agree. Sites that allow American players are much tougher than those that don't. The reason for this is that most solid American players (i.e. not the casual fish) actually moved to another site that DID allow Americans once the UIGEA was passed. Many "casual fish" don't even know that there ARE other sites. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Stick with non-American sites.

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tl dr.

american sites suck
go to party
if you didn't know these two things you prolly cant beat poker

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I have heard party has tightened up a lot since the americans have left.

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I always found the Prima sites soft especially in the afternoon when the Europeans returned home from the pubs.

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I have heard party has tightened up a lot since the americans have left.

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Maybe, but not to the extent that sites that do allow Americans have.

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I wouldn't know how it plays higher, but at micro and smallstakes NLHE there isn't really anything between Party and FTP other than FTP has better SW and above board RB. The PLO tables at Party are still much softer but there's no 6-max and traffic is low.

Everest is probably a lot closer to how most Americans still seem to think Party is.

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Wait, so from what I'm gathering, there was a stereotype about Americans, and this stereotype turned out to be untrue when put to the test?

I can't believe it!

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lol, i think its more a case of the good american players remain, the bad ones have left... most stereotypes are true anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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lol, i think its more a case of the good american players remain, the bad ones have left... most stereotypes are true anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This is what happened.

About 20% of our network\'s traffic is US players who also like sports
 

In the $400, $500 and $1000 NL games, the % is higher. Those players do have some gamble in them.

Our game numbers are not what the larger networks offer, but our games are on the soft side.

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anyone tried ipoker sites? they any good?

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"I wouldn't know how it plays higher, but at micro and smallstakes NLHE there isn't really anything between Party [and FT] "


This is so true. It irks me a little when players who don't have access to Party obsess over how 'soft' the games are there. It isn't the case anymore. NL25 6 max is soaked with set mining shortstackers, 12 tabling German rocks etc. It does get alot juicier on weekend evenings, and at peak times. But generally, even the NL10 FR tables very often average 12% of players seeing the flop. It has changed a lot in the last 6 months.

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automaton is correct. Low stake games on Party are pretty much rock gardens from what I've seen. It's the S&G where the retards hang out.

Although it's the Germans that seem to be the 90% vpip'ers

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IMHO The softest games are found at sites that

1) Do not support PT or HUDs
2) Shares a bankroll with a sportsbook / casino
3) Don't offer regular / great bonuses.

a little scouting around the mid size sites that fit those 3 criteria can often turn up tables most people on 2+2 dream about, but never find as they won't play without PT etc!

Mat

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Wait, so from what I'm gathering, there was a stereotype about Americans, and this stereotype turned out to be untrue when put to the test?

I can't believe it!

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No, it turned out to be true, american fish where unable to figure out that there where other sites than party poker

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Wait, so from what I'm gathering, there was a stereotype about Americans, and this stereotype turned out to be untrue when put to the test?

I can't believe it!

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No, it turned out to be true, american fish where unable to figure out that there where other sites than party poker

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Plus after Neteller kicked out all the Americans they said "OMG this is so illegal!"

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I have heard party has tightened up a lot since the americans have left.

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There are still a lot of loose Europeans!

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Beware of the German shortstackers on Partypoker.

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Wait, so from what I'm gathering, there was a stereotype about Americans, and this stereotype turned out to be untrue when put to the test?

I can't believe it!

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No, it turned out to be true, american fish where unable to figure out that there where other sites than party poker

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Americans know perfectly well what sites exist, and how to get money in. Or they have a friend who knows. Full Tilt advertises as much as Party ever did. On network TV now!

You can contort your explanations to suit your prejudice, or you can use Occam's razor.

Re: Soft games and American players?
 

IMHO The softest games are found at sites that

1) Do not support PT or HUDs
2) Shares a bankroll with a sportsbook / casino
3) Don't offer regular / great bonuses.

a little scouting around the mid size sites that fit those 3 criteria can often turn up tables most people on 2+2 dream about, but never find as they won't play without PT etc!

Mat

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Could you suggest a couple Mat?

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I'm liking PKR right now, although it only meets 2 out of the 3 criteria, multitabling is a pain there though!

Games however are some of the softest I've seen recently.

Ladbrokes, again meets 2/3 and has very soft games, at least at $50nl where i play.

Cake poker is also worth a look, if you can put up with the buggy software.

I find the $25 and $50nl games on those sites are often as good as party in the old days [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mat

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sorry to hijack, but can anyone explain the film avatar that a lot of people have?

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sorry to hijack, but can anyone explain the film avatar that a lot of people have?

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I think it is the default avatar or at least the top choice when people sign up.

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Oh yeah, that is the other reason I left party. It is infested with shortstackers who buy in with one fifth of the max and essentially wreck the character of the game. Very common at NL10 to find more than 50% of the table are buying in with $2, although the situation is moderately better at NL25 but not much. The proportion of shortstackers was growing too. They generally play a horrible, mindless style of poker that is almost unbearable to put up with when they make up half the table.

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Oh yeah, that is the other reason I left party. It is infested with shortstackers who buy in with one fifth of the max and essentially wreck the character of the game. Very common at NL10 to find more than 50% of the table are buying in with $2, although the situation is moderately better at NL25 but not much. The proportion of shortstackers was growing too. They generally play a horrible, mindless style of poker that is almost unbearable to put up with when they make up half the table.

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Those short-stackers who know what they're doing are tough to beat, aren't they?

A bit frustrating, perhaps, but your reaction is 100% correct. It's always a good idea to seek out an easier game.