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The other day I saw something I had never seen before. A dealer tapped into the box in the middle of a hand! First dealer delivered the cards and handled the flop. Second dealer comes in to deal the turn and river.

I can see very little benefit in a procedure like this, but a lot of negative. If there is any additional hands per hour gained by the procedure, they will be obliterated when there is a beef that could have been solved by the original dealer.

I was told that this was a new procedure, and was not an isolated incident. It happened several times during my session.

It does allow the dealer to possibly reach the break room a minute earlier. Is this worth the hassle?

The casino was one of the "Bay Area" clubs.

Any thoughts from some of our dealers here?

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Yeep. Not only does that open the door to a whole lot of problems, it reinforces the idea of dealers as interchangable trained monkeys. Well, okay, that's what we are, but why be so blatant about it?

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Just the other day someone told me that he had seen this procedure in Puerto Rico.

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Unless there is some kind of emergency and the dealer needs to get out of the box this is absolutely unacceptable.
I have seen this maybe 5 or six times in 15 years of playing .
A few times the dealer was ill (this is ok), once the dealers kid was hurt at school and TWICE casino security was there and escorted the dealer out of the room.
OH damn off topic but this is damn funny.
About 7 months ago I was in a 30/60 game. Got heads up with a scruffy dude. On the turn METRO, 4 of them, (Las Vegas police) walk up behind the guy I am heads up with. River played. Scruffy guy folds, Metro grabs the guy, cuffs him and halls him off. Word comes back he was wanted for passing bad checks. THAT IS A DOUBLE BEAT FOR THE GUY.

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Yeep. Not only does that open the door to a whole lot of problems, it reinforces the idea of dealers as interchangable trained monkeys. Well, okay, that's what we are, but why be so blatant about it?

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LOL (and I agree about the open door thing - what is management thinking???)

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Yeep. Not only does that open the door to a whole lot of problems, it reinforces the idea of dealers as interchangable trained monkeys. Well, okay, that's what we are, but why be so blatant about it?

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LOL (and I agree about the open door thing - what is management thinking???)

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Sounds like management is just being anal about pushes staying on sched (say first dealer has to wait a minute, then the next dealer has to wait two.. Lord forbid if they have to wait for an Omaha hand...)
I also agree this is just opening the door for problems. Can you imagine the floor having to go back and forth from the pre/flop dealer to the turn/river dealer to get all the action?? That alone should disuade them.

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The casino was one of the "Bay Area" clubs.



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Which one?

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Sounds like management is just being anal about pushes staying on sched (say first dealer has to wait a minute, then the next dealer has to wait two.. Lord forbid if they have to wait for an Omaha hand...)

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Maybe I am missing something but doesn't it all correct itself at the next push? Except for a guy who is going to punch out and has to stay an extra minute or two - and is the casino really going to care about 1/20 of $5 or whatever they pay dealers per hour - assuming they pay for it?

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Last weekend we had a dealer misdeal a hand after being tapped. The new dealer did the re-deal. Even that seemed off to me (though I can't see the harm in it).

I can't remember who did the reshuffle.

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I was dealing once. As soon as I spread the flop, another dealer ran up behind me, yelling, "Get up! Get up!"

I thought maybe there was something under my chair, so I stood.

"Drop the deck!"

Now I thought there was something under my chair, and it was on fire. I dropped the deck in a way to make it retrievable. There was nothing under my chair, and I was thoroughly confused.

"Go see the floorman."

The floorman was at the front podium. He wasn't smiling. He was holding the telephone receiver, indicating that I had a phone call.

It was midnight. I've never received good news by telephone, at midnight, in the middle of a hand I was dealing.

It was my wife, calling me from a parking lot as she watched a building burn down. The building we lived in, of course.

I think that's an example of a GOOD reason to push a dealer in the middle of a hand. It's a very short list.

(This was a while ago. Nobody was hurt, and nothing that couldn't be replaced was lost.)

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I think that's an example of a GOOD reason to push a dealer in the middle of a hand. It's a very short list.

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My first thought was - what difference would it make if you finished the hand first - it's not like you could have done anything about the building.

But, if word ever got back to your wife that you held her up while her home was burning down because you were in the middle of a hand....

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Sounds like management is just being anal about pushes staying on sched (say first dealer has to wait a minute, then the next dealer has to wait two.. Lord forbid if they have to wait for an Omaha hand...)

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Maybe I am missing something but doesn't it all correct itself at the next push? Except for a guy who is going to punch out and has to stay an extra minute or two - and is the casino really going to care about 1/20 of $5 or whatever they pay dealers per hour - assuming they pay for it?

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I don't know, just sounds insane to me if that's the reason. Either way, you know there are going to be some dealers complaining that the toke from a hand that they started is their toke, dang it! -grin-

I was just cringing the logistics for when there's a problem. Floor is called over, "ok, what happened here?" "I don't know, I pushed Joe after he dealt the flop.." .. ???? Seriously, can you just guess the issues? "Where's Joe now?" "Across the room on table 8..." [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Then what? You taking Joe out of another game so that he can come back to the other table to explain what happened? And, possibly again in the middle of a hand??

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I think that's an example of a GOOD reason to push a dealer in the middle of a hand. It's a very short list.

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My first thought was - what difference would it make if you finished the hand first - it's not like you could have done anything about the building.

But, if word ever got back to your wife that you held her up while her home was burning down because you were in the middle of a hand....

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LOL - I was thinking the exact same thing... On both counts...

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I've seen a dealer REALLY ready to vomit after dealing cards. She screamed the name of a floorman who was close by and literally ran to the bathroom. He came over and finished her down.

I don't know exactly what happened to her, but this seems like another acceptable reason to change dealers mid hand. Barfing on your customers is not a good business model...

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It should never happen in the normal course of pushes and so forth, but urgent and immediate emergencies are an exception. I've yet to see one.

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I watched a Sahara dealer over the course of about 3 hands go from apparently doing fine to sweating profusely to turning green to yelling for someone to relieve him QUICK. Floor seemed to get the message instantly and had someone tag him out (but between hands, not during--this guy was a very good, very professional dealer who I imagine couldn't fathom the idea of leaving mid-hand, but given he looked a bit like a soggy Herman Munster at that point I woulda excused him if he'd just dropped the deck and run).

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Never thought about having to get a read on my dealer, but it's sounding like that might be wise in the 1,10, 5 and 6 seats.

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Not to Hijack the thread, but who gets the tip if the dealer swaps out in the middle. (FWIW I've seen floor guys take over for dealers who *ahem* need immediate relief) usually the floor guys hold the tips till the dealer comes back, but in the case of the OP, are the tips pooled ?

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The casino was one of the "Bay Area" clubs.



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Which one?

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California Grand