Please Explain Internet Timing Tells To Me
 

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If your opponent takes a long time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

If your opponent takes a short time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

Anything else?

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if he bets instantly then he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing?

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If you've been watching a person and know that they are fast to act, then a very long pause is suggestive of a monster. Or they have nothing and are giving a false tell.

If they act very quickly, then they have a clear choice. They'll either fold or raise in response to you.

If they bet really quickly, they are strong and confident.

If they bet really quickly, they are pumped with testosterone and trying to bluff you off a hand.

So yes, there is info to be gleaned from timing, but it is weak without knowledge of the player.

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a few that i rely on are:

-if one of the blinds waits a few seconds to check(especially if they checked/called option quickly so you know hes paying attn) i read as a slowplay and dont continuation bet

-the instapot bet on a late street when a scare card hits with moderate sized pot, unless u notice it alot from one player, means they have it and fold (i consider flop bets of this nature to mean any number of things)

granted i play omaha only, with mostly PLO8 - i find reading hands in this game are easier with experience than any

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If your opponent takes a long time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

If your opponent takes a short time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

Anything else?

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That is so helpful. lol

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Timing tells are unreliable in my experience.

I have found that if I'm in middle position in a multiway pot, and I delay a flat call to someone's bet/raise (deliberately or not), 85% of the time, a subsequent player re-raises in an attempt to bluff and/or get preceding players off their hands. So if you have a monster, it's a good way of building the pot (hesitating and then flat calling, i.e., you'll get re-raised, you then reraise or push all-in).

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basically, but you have to know your player's habits.

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If your opponent takes a long time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

If your opponent takes a short time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

Anything else?

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QFT.

Timing tells = total BS

"I have a monster, Im gonna take a long time so he thinks im bluffing"

2 hands later

"I have to bluff, I better take a long time so he thinks I have the nuts"

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The insta flop call of your CB is almost always a marginal made hand.

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I had a hand last night in a NHLE cash game where I check-raised the turn on a four-straight board with the low end of the straight and the villain instantly reraised all in. I laid down my hand because he reraised me so quickly. When you check raise someone in a tight NLHE cash game and they don't even hesitate to come over the top, then I think that's a pretty strong tell that they've got a monster because 90% of the time they're beat and could easily get stacked unless they have something approximating the nuts.

That was my thinking at the time, until I remembered that in a lot of cases my super-quick bets and raises indicate that I have a medium-strength made hand with a strong redraw (i.e., top or middle pair with a straight/flush draw) and I want to be aggressive with it. I generally hesitate more when I have the nut made hand because I want to think about how to extract maximum value.

So, really, you never know that much based on someone's timing.

My conclusion after playing what must be millions of hands of online poker is that by-the-book timing tells are only reliable in rare situations, especially considering that so many players are multitabling and/or playing on crappy connections, but I do think we subconsciously pick up on things much more than we realize.

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When someone instacalls a dry flop, I find they usually fold to a turn bet.

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If your opponent takes a long time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

If your opponent takes a short time to bet, he must have a monster hand, a medium hand or be bluffing.

Anything else?

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QFT.

Timing tells = total BS

"I have a monster, Im gonna take a long time so he thinks im bluffing"

2 hands later

"I have to bluff, I better take a long time so he thinks I have the nuts"

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The next hand: mmmm... this is a good cheeseburger... oh [censored]! I'm about to time out!

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When someone instacalls a dry flop, I find they usually fold to a turn bet.

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This is the best one so far, ees true.

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If someone takes a long time to call:

He might have a medium strength hand and will fold to multiple barrels (uNL beware).

He has a monster and are mentally counting your chips.

He is making players at the other seven of their tables wait too.


[b]Just dark tunnel bluff and hope for the best.

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Timing tells are so reliable. Especially when your opponent is 10 tabling.

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Anyone that calls really fast is usually trying to get you to slow down.. Most casual people players don't multi table so you can usually rely more on their tells.

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When somebody times out, you win teh monies

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If they bet instantly then they didn't think about what to do. Some bets require thought to make.

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instabets seem to usually be made by some kind of made hand (even if it's just top pair on the flop). Instacalls seem to be made by some kind of made hand that realizes it is probably beat but wants you to know they are going to call through the river anyway and wants you to slow down (i.e. second pair or top pair weak kicker). Delayed bets, calls, raises, checkraises don't mean Jack. There are any number of reasons for the delays. Multitabling, connection lag, answering the phone, petting the dog, whatever. Although many of the low limit donks seem to think that a delay means weakness and dedide to get tricky, losing themselves extra bets.

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Here are a couple of 'typical' tells I have noticed. These are relatively reliable against straightforward donks who just play their own 2 cards. However, I doubt they are any use against competent players.

1) Someone snapchecks first to act on the flop.
They are normally giving up on the hand. If they'd flopped a monster, they would have at least paused a little before deciding to check/minraise. Stealing becomes way more successful.

2) For one hand, someone who normally acts extremely quickly starts taking their time over every apparently simple decision. This is often a monster. It's particularly blatant when's a limped pot and they start agonising over 1bb bets and the like. Often if a bad player starts doing this I'll shut down and try to see what they are playing at, and make a note of what it means.

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The fact that these timing tells can give away information is one reason you should be mentally prepared to act based upon whether or not, say, you get dealt aces, or flop a monster, a draw, etc., in order that you best exploit the prevailing interpretation of what different timings mean. Obviously, pros and semi-pros are not going to be misled easily, but most of us play recreationally and overthink hands to the point that, it can make a difference, and when you have the nuts at the river, deceptive timing can make the difference in getting your opponent to either call or fold a pot-sized bet (for example, if you have the ace-high flush and your opponent has the king-high flush, you can hesitate so as to send signals that you have a flush but not the ace). I like UB's software for this reason, because it's set up in such a way that you can have a simple plan for playing hands. Anyway, don't put too much stock in timing, just play good cards.

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The insta flop call of your CB is almost always a marginal made hand.

[/ QUOTE ]Or a draw. Basically they're saying "please be scared of my instant decision and check the next street".

It's the only semi-reliable timing tell I've ever noticed. And after I noticed it I noticed that I naturally did it too.

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long pause when checked to at the river followed by a bet is almost never a bluff.

if they were going to bluff, they'd spit it out as fast and intimidating as they could.