first taste of high stakes, how is my play?
 

OK, so im not a high stakes player by any means. i play mostly higher heads up SNG and 9 person SNG. but recently i sat in with the full buyin in a 50-100 game on tilt (prob a bad decision right away). so heres the hand (sorry no converter, workin on it)

Frodooo - $3600
Lars Luzak - $10000
hero - $12000

ive been playin pretty tight aggressive. i just took down a good size pot against lars and we have been going back and forth but have seen few showdowns. i open from the button to 300 with Jh8h, lars reraise to 1000. frodooo folds and i make the call (yes not a great call), flop is KhTs2s. he checks i check, turn is a 6h. i bet 1400 he calls. river is a 7c. he checks, i bet 4000..

good, bad, terrible?

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you're pretending to have a weak king or a T when neither would bet the river that big. your hand looks exactly like what it is. if he's any sort of player, he will call you when you're beat and raise you if you're not.

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i think if he calls the turn he'll call river too because 7 didn't chance much.. I think you might get a fold from QQ or AT, but they will also look you up a fair amount. I'd prefer if you bet the 7 of spades rather than 7 of clubs...

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yes, i was thinking he had a hand like AQ or AJ with maybe a combo draw, although i might have been raised on the turn with something like this, i thought a river bet could get him off one of these hands. i didnt think he had JJ or QQ since i think a huge majority of the time he bets the flop, i would not have fired if i thought he had QQ or JJ as i think i am definately getting called with one of those two hands.

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Coincedentally I just saw this hand - ukdave right?
From my experience of lower stakes your bet on the river is not representative of a value bet. He thinks you think he is weak so how could he call a near PSB on the river?

I could not call the river but I would consider shoving. He made a sick call. I would be interested to know if others think you played it badly.

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i played this guy the other day for a little bit. first off i wouldnt try a bluff like this on him, because he leans toward calling rather than folding.

Against most people, this is good if you have an image and look of value betting lightly, if you don't then this isn't good, because if you had a hand big enough for this, you would most likely be betting the flop.

If you are going to bluff here, I also would rather shove or really over bet than bet just the pot.

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I don't see what you're representing, and Lars likes to make big calldowns.

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ya its ukdave

i figured my tighter image would have him lean towards folding. i thought of shoving but i didnt want to have him thinking im some low stakes donk shoving the river on a missed draw. i wanted to make it look like a good value bet maybe slightly on the large side. maybe a shove would have been better, but i think hes calling that more often than my 4000 bet. i dont know. good call or terrible play by me, i cant decide.

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yeah this river bet isn't going to work against lars....giving up is the best play imo

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he's calling even if you shove

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if i were him i call with a ton of stuff since you are new to the game and assumed to be a donator

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if i were him i call with a ton of stuff since you are new to the game and assumed to be a donator

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lol, i suppose

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he's calling even if you shove

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ya after calling my 4k bet im sure he is

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I don't see what you're representing, and Lars likes to make big calldowns.

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representing AK, TTT, QQ, or JJ would be the four hands that i might play similar

even a bluff with 22-99, which i would assume im behind anyways, i was thinking he would lay down since the only thing he is really beating is a bluff, but with that said, i didnt know he liked to make big calldowns

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what did he call u with

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Armen, usually results are irrelevant but in this case no one is bothered anymore. Lars Luzak called him with Ace, Queen high. I would like to know who Lars Luzak is though...

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you're pretending to have a weak king or a T when neither would bet the river that big. your hand looks exactly like what it is. if he's any sort of player, he will call you when you're beat and raise you if you're not.

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lol, so if he is "any sort of player" and i play TT, AK, 77, or any hand the exact same way i played my hand, then he is going to raise me off of it?? but anytime i am bluffing with worse than A high he is gonna call?? all because he thinks i am "pretending" to have a weak K or a T?? i know its been a while but this reply is a joke

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what did he call u with

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AQ high

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lollll

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UK,

He did make an impressive call in this position which he may have done out purely for feel and information. I think if you take a different line on the hand you make him calling far more difficult. For example strength would have been better represented by a flop bet, than a percieved steal bet on the turn, or possibly with running a double barrel bluff, obviously you have considered this. But, if your opponent is aware that you are willing to bet a monster on the flop and then check or fire the whole way, this should be a more successful line than a turn bet, followed by demonstrated heavy 'value' bluff bet.

-Flow

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AQ high

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i dont hate his call considering the circumstances against an unknown

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i dont hate the call either, although i think it is -EV in the long run. and i think the fact that i am unknown to him is not relevant enough to warrant a call

flow, i agree, when he checks to me on the flop i think a nice double barrel flop and turn bet would get him off his hand. although, he picked up the flush draw along with the gutter on the turn (he had hearts), and i think i would have been raised off my bluff anyways...no matter how i see it, i think the only chance i have is pushing the river, and against lars, thats not much of a chance for me anyways

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i dont hate the call either, although i think it is -EV in the long run. and i think the fact that i am unknown to him is not relevant enough to warrant a call

flow, i agree, when he checks to me on the flop i think a nice double barrel flop and turn bet would get him off his hand. although, he picked up the flush draw along with the gutter on the turn (he had hearts), and i think i would have been raised off my bluff anyways...no matter how i see it, i think the only chance i have is pushing the river, and against lars, thats not much of a chance for me anyways

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definitly remember the line you took here