Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

I have exactly $400 in the BB with AKo.

Catcher makes it $16 to go UTG 6 handed and it folds to me.

I make it $52.

He shoves.

I don't think we have any terribly interesting history, but we play together a pretty healthy amount. Also, this session JUST started, so no immediatly relevant metagame is at play.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

Press the call button.

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Does this reveal anything? I'm asking because I'm not sure.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

554,786,496 games 0.005 secs 110,957,299,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.785% 23.66% 16.13% 131241660 89482674.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 60.215% 44.09% 16.13% 244579488 89482674.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


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Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

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With no reads, he probably sees your 3bet as a premium hand mostly, so he won't shove light, this is KK+ a lot. I can see AK and QQ, but not really JJ in his range too.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

fold

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

Idk, I sat with catcher the other day and he was shoving over me literally EVERYTIME I reraised him. I'd instacall here if he's playing like this.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

instaCALL . Obviously at least AKo+, JJ+ (and AA-KK less likely then JJ )

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

Zomg instacall he has like fours or a suited A

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

If Catcher's range is precisely JJ+, AKs, AKo then it looks like a call is break even. He might not play JJ this way which would lower our EV. On the other hand there is a tiny chance it's a bluff which cancels out that previous point. So close either way.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

lol instacall. Maybe he's leveling us, but haven't you all seen the hands he posts here where he gets it in what might be considered 'light' pf?

Mark

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

this is the snappiest of snap calls

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Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

So you're basically saying catcher is a fish right?

I don't know but when BB reraise an unknown UTG raiser with no history, you can expect a pretty solid hand range (and not that much FE), but maybe on stars people are so aggro it becomes fine to 4bet light here on a standard basis.

My read on him is obviously off, i haven't played that much with him and i did when he was using his minraise strategy, and although he was aggro, he didn't come off as that out of line.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

wow... i think fold... i mean you invested 52 and you have to call with your whole stack with A Ko? plus you have no history, you don't know who he is... easy fold...

i mean this is such a gamble, yeah A K has a bigger chance IF he's shoving this against 2 random cards.. but that's PF...
when the flop comes it's gonna be a different story... but if you wanna gamble, call this one...

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wow... i think fold... i mean you invested 52 and you have to call with your whole stack with A Ko? plus you have no history, you don't know who he is... easy fold...

i mean this is such a gamble, yeah A K has a bigger chance IF he's shoving this against 2 random cards.. but that's PF...
when the flop comes it's gonna be a different story... but if you wanna gamble, call this one...

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You should go read the SSNL forum some more dude. You lack the basics apparently.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

easy call, esp. since he pushed on you.
edit: meaning you rr alot. it doesnt take much for someone to get annoyed and push back

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

You didn't include that you have a lag image and run like god ( which makes it more of a call )

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

catcher 4bets a ton. Against some other 2/4 regs this would be a fold since they raised utg, but against him, fist pump.

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I was wondering how long it would take for one of these threads to pump up, also I obv know who you are but everyone seems to have history but I recognize like no names, friggen identity nits : )

and good god this is a call

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this is A4 almost always, instacall, fist pump etc

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Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

If his range is JJ+, AK, this is actually a fold given odds. Surprised no one picked up on that. If he's as bad as people are saying, it's obviously an instant call.

The range could look something like this:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.965% 28.64% 16.33% 13240108 7548339.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 55.035% 38.71% 16.33% 17895422 7548339.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-JJ, AKs, A4s, AKo }

Slightly reduced probability of AA/KK, added A4s as the random trash hand. We need something like 43.5% equity to call here. Someone correct me if I made a mistake.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

eh...depends how session is going...since theres no history i think this is a fold

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

someone other than me said it best:
gambooooooooooooooooollllllllllllll

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I have exactly $400 in the BB with AKo.

Catcher makes it $16 to go UTG 6 handed and it folds to me.

I make it $52.

He shoves.

I don't think we have any terribly interesting history, but we play together a pretty healthy amount. Also, this session JUST started, so no immediatly relevant metagame is at play.

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Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

does catcher really do this w/ AA given no history? Sometimes I think people need to honestly realize that just b/c people in the long run could shove AA here doesnt mean it will ever show up early in a session with no history where he might easily want to 4bet less or just flat call.

Re: Call shove with AK vs. Catcher?
 

Easy fold. Catcher is such a preflop nit.