ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

curious what y'all think of this. From what in understand Jfish was owning FTP 3/6 and 5/10 a few months back and took a break and started playing again recently. He's running 19/16 and I'm sure hes got some moxie. I'm running around 24/19 ish I've 3 bet him a couple times he folded he hasn't 3 bet me I dont think.

Aggrofish is in the BB, likes to call then fire when shown weakness. Flop I like a check because jfish could c/c this flop with some PPs and fish will call with a lot so i figure I'd take a free turn. Jfish fires turn, I figured he is probably just stealing after everyone checked and I could take pot on river if he checked plus fish might overcall and I could get some $$$. Now Jfish fires riv again and he should probably do this with everything because my hand looks like jack [censored] right now unless I peeled turn with gutshot and hit the straight. I doubt he would check an A on the flop with fish in the pot so he probably doesnt have much unless he hit QQ/JJ so I raize.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $579.10
BB: $844.85
UTG: $861.15
MP: $600.00
CO: $631.45
Hero (BTN): $0.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $21.00</font>, Hero calls $21.00, 3 folds, BB calls $15.00

Flop: ($66) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($66) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $49.00</font>, Hero calls $49.00, BB folds

River: ($164) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $121.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $365.00</font>

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

haaaate ittt

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

blegh jfish might fold AT I guess

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I don't like it at all. What are you trying to represent?

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Well, you'd play a q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] the same way.

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na i dont like it at all. Utg here he has aq, aj and ak here alot. aa, qq and jj, 88 is also a big part of his range. He might even look u up light with a kk or kq here. im not sure what u can represent here on the river after u check flop and flat call turn.

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I don't really like the PF call, especially with two behind and a $0.00 stack.

He can't give you JJ or QQ because of your pre-flop call. I doubt he's going to put you on KT with your PF call and turn call.

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The only reason this can ever be good(and I'm stretching here) is if there's so much meta stuff that jfish would be like wellllll he knows his hand looks like a bluff so he would never bluff so HES TRAPPPPPING MEEEEEE.

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Also, this is a pretty easy turn fold for me.

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No wonder poker is so easy.

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

jesus christ this is atrocious.

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preflop sucks.

river is awful.

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

hes reppin 910 yo.
as played i dont really like either.
just betting the flop would cost u alot less

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

results?

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LOL @ PF being awful.

you're representing like - exactly 9T. When you do that, you get called.

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

I'd rather raise turn. But jfish shows up with an A here very often.

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i made the worst fold ever here, so yea its good [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. i barely played with you and i honestly didnt think an "unknown" was capable of bluff raising here.

i folded KK fwiw and i immediately regretted it. whatever, i play bad.

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i made the worst fold ever here, so yea its good [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. i barely played with you and i honestly didnt think an "unknown" was capable of bluff raising here.

i folded KK fwiw and i immediately regretted it. whatever, i play bad.

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KK is just about the worst hand you can have there, and with the Q and J coming he'd have to be crazy to be bluffing. i think the reason his bluff sucks is because you're going to have a pretty big hand too often. this time you didn't. doesn't mean you made a terrible fold, just like it doesn't mean he made a good bluff

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

Bet flop sometimes

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

not sure exactly wha tyou're repping... I don't like it

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this has to work like 55% of the time, you really think he calls that often? Pretty sure if he posted this from his POV most would advocate fold, just because nobody ever bluffs here.

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well this is pretty silly.

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this has to work like 55% of the time, you really think he calls that often? Pretty sure if he posted this from his POV most would advocate fold, just because nobody ever bluffs here.

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Well yeah, if you know he has KK it's probably fine, but you don't.

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

ballllllllin' outta control!

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KK is just about the worst hand you can have there, and with the Q and J coming he'd have to be crazy to be bluffing. i think the reason his bluff sucks is because you're going to have a pretty big hand too often. this time you didn't. doesn't mean you made a terrible fold, just like it doesn't mean he made a good bluff

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QFT

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

If ur JFish, why not c/c the river, to induce a bluff? I mean the way the mike played this, it looks like a flush draw.
Also why does calling a utg raise on the button with 56 suited suck?, Im thinkin thats pretty standard, no?

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why not c/c the river, to induce a bluff

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why not c/c the river, to induce a bluff

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because it's usually jsut going to go check-check and JT or QJ or 99 no good. i don't think a draw is a big part of his range at all. i think most people just muck the turn with a draw unless it's a combo draw. i think it's a reasonably good spot for jfish to be bluffing, so i don't see why he can't bet KK for value.

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because i thought he had 1 pair hands more than draws.

edit: josh beat me to it.

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LOL @ PF being awful.

you're representing like - exactly 9T. When you do that, you get called.

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i assume hero has 100 BB's here. that said, i dont like calling a 3.5 BB raise from UTG when i'm UTG+1. we've got four players yet to act behind us, and iirc, isn't a suited connector about 2.5% stronger than an unsuited connector? bleh, whatever. it's really dependent on your style of play, and i'd call here from the button or the BB, but not UTG+1.

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I guess I don't value bet rivers thin often enough to know whether JT or 99 or whatever can be expected to call. I wouldn't think they would. The only worse hands I see calling is like KsQs/QsJs/QsTs. And there's there's all the straights &amp; ace-nokickers that you lose too. I just don't see much value. But I am probably wrong.

Re: ballin\' ass bluff raise vs. Jfish
 

Is KK for jfish the same as JJ on the river? I mean if hero's (mike0292's) raise doesn't make much sense when you put it all together, does it make it as easy a call with KK as with JJ?

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JJ beats 88 as well as the straights which might raise the river. also to be nitty JJ makes it somewhat less likely that villain has a full house.