PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

I'm pretty sure I had to play the hand the way I played it, but just wanted to make sure...I believe I have said in the past, I tend to get overzealous sometimes...

NICK6550 is at seat 0 with $26 .60.
Big Gray is at seat 1 with $100 .90.
yermudder is at seat 2 with $75 .55.
instars is at seat 3 with $64 .45.
g-dog is at seat 4 with $84 .30.
HERO is at seat 5 with $174 .70.
armandox is at seat 6 with $64 .95.
OmahaJohn is at seat 7 with $75 .90.
Jack Lumber is at seat 8 with $93 .50 (SB).
BreakUrHeart is at seat 9 with $120 (BB).
The button is at seat 7.

Seat 0, 2, and 4 called...I pump it up to $6.50 with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...Seat 6 calls, the BB calls...Seat 0 FOLDS, Seat 2 CALLS...Seat 4 RE-RAISES to $27 and all CALL...

Now there are 5 players to the flop and about $135 in the pot...

We see a flop of...
T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Seat 2 CHECKS, Seat 4 bets $23...The action is on us with 2 people still having yet to act...WE???????????

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

I'd favor a fold in this spot.

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I'd favor a fold in this spot.

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why do you post this stuff?

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

Disregard, I just saw there was $135 in the pot. Misread the action.

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

I apologize for not posting my read...I've played with Break before so I knew in order to call a raise and a reraise he most likely wasn't floating with anything really crappy and suspect...The initial re-raiser...His reraise was quite odd, it wasn't a full pot sized reraise (as you would expect from AAxx in this situation given the number of people in the pot) so it was hard to put him on AA...In this game that reraise could mean really anything...I had a player limp, re-raise me from UTG with 8443 or something awful like that, so I really didn't think that the re-raiser had a monster...

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

You're getting minimum 2:1 on your money (and sometimes 3:1 or 4:1) with a nut flush draw, top pair, gutshot and second nut low draw.

If the pot was ~$40 or so this is an easy fold, but with $135 in there and no more than $90 behind, you can't be -EV.

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

So I'm guessing you are advocating pushing over the top of the continutation bet of the re-raiser so as to isolate him, correct?

You would muck a hand like this if the pot was smaller?? I'm guessing this is because our low draw is 2nd best and we still have people to act after us...

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

I just push right then and hope the 2 behind you fold. You have a great hand heads up, but 3 or 4 way you're just playing to hit your flush for the most part. The only thing you're really buried behind is A2 and a set. But that being said.. you never are making A23 fold and probably never a set. Which is why as Phil is suggesting if the money is deep a fold looks better, or a call hoping to spike a scoop heart, and praying the 2 behind you don't raise.

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It seems to me that the purpose of a push over the top is not isolation (unless you seriously think someone is going to fold a weak A2xx here); it's to allow you to see both remaining streets for a fixed price. If you flat call and get two callers (pot is now $205), and the turn brings a non-heart A,3,6,7, or 8, then calling a turn bet will be difficult (though only BreakUrHeart will really have enough left behind to make it significantly -EV).

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

That was actually what was going through my mind an iso play on the initial bettor, or if not him at least the smallish stacks...I was actually hoping to get a naked A2 to fold in this spot (a bad idea??)...The ONLY person I was worried about in this hand was Break because he really had the only stack at the table that I could put pressure on to fold...

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

typical omaha players that will fold a bare A2 for their stacks in reraised pots are few and far between. I think shoving just makes it easier to play with the stack sizes, and you could force an A3 to fold that would get you 1/4 if you didn't.

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

Yeah like I said, the shorter stacks I really thought would call with any decent hand...And with the money in the pot and how short their stacks were compared to the pot, I really wanted them to come along naked...In thinking about raising, I hoped to get Break to fold a naked A2 because he had a decent sized stack even after the reraise and calling about $100 cold with a naked A2 is a tough call to make there...At least for me it would be and it would be something that I would muck...

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

See.. I'd rather the guy called with his A2 if that's all he had if you were both deep. Depending on his hand obviously. You're gonna end up with something like a $70 side pot with him if he comes along. So even getting scooped by a shorter stack, and scooping him if his low misses isn't a terrible situation as you don't lose your entire stack.

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

Donkey, you got me there...The main thing I was thinking was isolation with my hand because I really didn't think it held up in a multi-way pot...

HERE'S THE RESULT:

I raised pot and Break insta-called (which told me he had some sort of A2/wrap type hand) and the re-raiser called as well...

TURN: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
RIVER: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

And the HERO in this case ends up scooping an almost $400 pot with trip 10s...

RE-RAISER SHOWED: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BREAK SHOWED: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

We had a good equity situation on the flop against these 2 hands...45% if memory serves...On the turn we were in DEEP trouble as the re-rasier picked up the nut flush and nut low draw and it dropped our equity substaintially to around 25%...But fortunately we were able to re-suckout on the river...

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

Super easy shove, it's $100PLO8, AAxx instacalls, ditto for any 2-pair. You're getting A2xx to fold like never, but you're still definitely +EV in this spot.

Having said that, fold preflop next time.

Re: PLO8 ($100) UB -- BIG POT A BREWIN\'....
 

Fold preflop? You must obviously have never played on UB before...If you don't raise with hands like this preflop when you are in hijack or later position you are definitely losing some major EV...

EX: Last nite I was playing and I raised on the button with AA22, suited diamonds...Flop was 2 lows and a Q with 2 diamonds as well...My opponent proceeded to bet pot into me and I put him all in...Turn gave me the low and river gave me a set...He stacked off almost $80 with Q589 or some BS like that that gave him 2 pair on the flop...

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Having said that, fold preflop next time.

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Uh, no.