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RuffRhyder 06-18-2007 05:47 PM

He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
Villain is 48/10/2.67 over 85 hands and is somewhat of a station. My impression is that he's not as bad as you would expect from his stats. Sometimes I reraise this pre, but I didn't think he'd fold much of his range against me (25/18) and I didn't want to bloat the pot OOP deepish. Again on the flop I sometimes c/r or B3B, but if called, the rest of the hand could be awkward against a station.

Stacks:
Villain (UTG): 2085
Hero (SB): 1788

NLH 5/10

Villain raises to 20, folded to Hero (A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) who calls.

Flop(pot 50$): 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villain bets 50$, Hero calls

Turn (pot 150$): 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villain bets 50$, Hero calls

River (pot 250$): Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets 190$, Villain raises to 760$, Hero ??

My plan was to be done with the hand on the turn, then he bet so small that I decided to keep drawing.

Laetus 06-18-2007 06:01 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
What's your hand?

RuffRhyder 06-18-2007 06:15 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
Sry, fixed it.

berserk 06-18-2007 06:17 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
Eh he could probably be (stupidly) value raising a lower flush, straight, or 8x. But on the other hand the raise is quite big. Hm.. I think i pay it off.

AAismyfriend 06-18-2007 06:44 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
If I'm playing well I fold, if I'm not I probably pay off, but this is a full house almost always judging by his bet sizing, and I think folding is definately best here. I'd be much more inclined to pay off a smaller raise.

ocklind 06-18-2007 06:51 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
I think he can value-raise an 8 or a smaller flush here. Call

BalugaWhale 06-18-2007 07:09 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
call

also id probably raise the flop

rvg72 06-18-2007 07:36 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
push river??? Realistically you only lose to QQ, right? Seems like a lot of other worse hands are calling a push here.

Edit: 9's and 4's too obviously... maybe calling is better. I'd never fold here against this type of player.

rvg

duh 06-18-2007 08:44 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
Call at least.
If this is HU, a shove couldn't be faulted.

Eagles 06-18-2007 08:56 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
I probably 3bet pf raise flop and for sure call river. IMO the river is either a shove or call folding is awful.

Mench 06-18-2007 09:26 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
i call, but his small turn bet is often a huge hand if hes a donkey, which his stats say he is.

RuffRhyder 06-19-2007 06:56 AM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
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i call, but his small turn bet is often a huge hand if hes a donkey, which his stats say he is.

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I agree with that. His turn bet set off alarm bells, but still wasn't sure. The problem I have with calling due to the hands that you all think he can have, is that I really don't see what kind of 8's or small flushes he actually raises preflop UTG with a PRF of 10%. I know it's a small sample, but still... At the time I really thought it had to be a boat or a bluff which seems awful when I've told him a have a flush.

Oh, and this is 6 max.

donkmagic 06-19-2007 07:03 AM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
wtf worse hand is calling a shove on this river?

jfish 06-19-2007 07:38 AM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Call at least.
If this is HU, a shove couldn't be faulted.

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yea it could.

KdB 06-19-2007 10:05 AM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
I c/r flop all day with this hand. If he calls, you might still have 15 outs, and be playing a big pot with a bad player.
As played, I won't fold this, it's at least a call.
I don't think he would pay you off if you shove with 8x or straight, so a push might be a little to wild

roo400 06-19-2007 10:25 AM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
8x, smaller flush so many times. This is a push

rvg72 06-19-2007 12:37 PM

Re: He\'s got to know I have a flush, right?
 
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wtf worse hand is calling a shove on this river?

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He's 47/10... How about a sample including some of AA,KK,JT,8x, Smaller Flush? If he was a 24/20 then obviously this hand plays out very differently.

rvg


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