Can you distinguish between a fake smile and a genuine smile?
 

There really isn't a perfect forum for this, so I'll post it here since we've discussed tells in the context of Caro's book, Joe Navarro's book, etc.

Can you spot the fake smile?

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Great link! I got 12/20 correct, I thought I would do better...

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Agreed, great link.

I got 15/20. Looked back at the 5 I missed, and 2-3 of them I couldn't believe that I missed them. The other two, I could see how it was tough for me to tell. Good practice, and seeing it 'live' really brings the tells to life--I think I'll have a lot more confidence at the tables...

edited to add: I think 3 of the 5 I missed were in the first 5, and I think I was just looking at the pictures rather than playing the short clip...that's probably why I missed them [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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16/20

What does that mean?

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17/20. Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk. -Shaq.

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this was already posted in OOT.
10/20

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18/20. Missed #15 and #20.
I should have had the last one too, but changed my mind in the last second.
After rewatching #15 Im still a bit suprised it was fake. There were others I was more unsure of than that one.

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19/20. #4 owned me

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11/20, but I automatically put 'fake' every time it was a woman

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15/20, thanks for the link. I missed some genuine ones but was about even on male v female.

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wohooo 20/20
i readz your soul

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nice link - 14/20

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15/20

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11/20, but I automatically put 'fake' every time it was a woman


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Instant classic

21 out of 20!!!!!
 

Phil Hellmuth just took the test. He scored 21 out of 20. He saw through their souls pretty good.

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very cool link 18/20

# 13 freaking scared me..........

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17/20. All the ones I got wrong I said were fake. Guess I'm not trusting them...

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15/20.

This was a little bit harder than I thought.

I found myself throughout the exersice trying to determine how they were getting people to genuinely smile. I think they were telling them a joke, and then seconds later saying "ok seriously blah blah" to get the smile to go away. So I started looking for signs of laughter such as movement of the head and/or shoulders and I think this helped me. I missed 3 out of the first 4 and then got 14/16 right once I picked up on this.

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i'm going ot try it after a few beers to make it more realistic [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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13/20. Did the genuine smiles hear about the Gambler2k4 hand?

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18/20. The last one I couldn't figure out and got wrong. His was a confusing smile, not like the others.

Caveat: I've read most of Navarro's book, months ago, so I probably subconsciously remembered something from it.

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10/20 nb

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14 of 20.

If this was an ugly contest we might have a 20 way tie for first place.

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10/20 nb

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You gotta stick to online poker [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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9/20, I suck. Got bored and rushed it though.
Still, no live poker for me.

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I'm not surprised that I was so bad at this (10/20). I knew I would suck
But I'm kind of surprised that SO many apparently are pretty good at it.

I thought almost all of them looked fake.
But I knew they wouldn't do that so I tried to pick out a few on the way that I thought COULD be genuine.

I got fooled by the 'come down' breath after the smile was through. So many of them looked like someone was saying, "Okay, I need you to smile now like you mean it" (pause) "okay, that's enough. You're done."

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Ekman's micro-expression stuff is really valuable. I think it explains alot of the tells experienced players see live , but can't describe. When someone says "I just felt he was strong" or "I can't say why, but I knew she was bluffing", it may have been a brief micro-expression that they saw without fully registering it that was the giveaway.

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18/20. I remember thinking on one of the ones I missed, that if I missed one, this would be it.

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This also may explain why I do so much better at live poker.

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These videos had some of the ugliest people I have ever seen in my life.

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15/20

The ugly people disturbed me. I think I would have gotten 2 more right if they dodn't look so deformed.

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11/20, but I automatically put 'fake' every time it was a woman

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Same here 11/20 - most seemed fake to me, I just forced myself to find reasons to select genuine.

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19/20, which is surprising since I suck at reading people in live play.

Number 3 beat me, which is pretty shocking because looking back his is one of the most obvious cases of "okay now smile... hold it... and stop". His cheeks do come up much higher than the other fake smiles which is why I thought he was genuine, but the forced shift back to the base position, the stillness of his head and the long blink immediately following the smile should have told me he was a big fat phony.

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18/20. The last one I couldn't figure out and got wrong. His was a confusing smile, not like the others.

Caveat: I've read most of Navarro's book, months ago, so I probably subconsciously remembered something from it.

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I thought Number 20 was one of the easiest ones. Everything about this guy screamed "I'm lying and I suck at it" to me. There is no upward movement below his eyes, he licks his bottom lip (a sign of discomfort), and in fact he is so uncomfortable with deception that he even shakes his head for us! I guess this is what threw you off, but I don't know why a person would do that if they were geniunely amused.

Great link.

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Ok, so a lot of you are good at spotting fake smiles. Can you tell the difference between a fake orgasm and a genuine orgasm?

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17 out of 20 - I also got three of the first four wrong, but then none after that. I think it takes a bit to get used to what you're looking for on the clips. It's all in the eyes, LDO.

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Ok, so a lot of you are good at spotting fake smiles. Can you tell the difference between a fake orgasm and a genuine orgasm?

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Is spotting fake orgasms +EV for poker?

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13-20, I thought the after not was interesting.

Anyone else play "dude or chick" with that person with long hair?

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16/20
Two women and two men wrong. Good link.

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18/20. i think i did pretty good. some were very obvious though.

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17/20

I guessed my ability to tell would be very poor. My facial recognition is quite poor, to my wife's amusement.