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As you may remember from my thread in Student Life (lol, jk) my gf is pretty smart. She has since been accepted to Emory med school.

Well, she also turned out to be smart enough that she just got in off the wait list at UCLA. For everyone who hasn't studied med schools, UCLA is one of the top schools and also one of the hardest for an out-of-state applicant to get in to. Unfortunately, coming with that acceptance is a very short deadline for deciding. It was this Friday, but she was able to get it pushed back to next Friday b/c she just got her letter.

On the surface, this is a very easy decision. UCLA is a better school and offers better opportunities. However, with the late news, there are also some downsides. For one, we are already under contract on a condo here in Atlanta and would be out a couple grand in earnest money if we pulled out at this point. Of course, there is also the whole, we both grew up around Atlanta and all our friends and family our here angle. And of course the cheaper cost of living. I'm not too worried about finding another job as a city of 12M or so probably has something I can do.

Anyway, this thread isn't so much about that (however feel free to comment) as it is about trying to find out some stuff about LA. For one, we'd have to have housing close to UCLA secured in the next month to allow time to move and neither of us have much clue about where the good/affordable areas are.

Also, please include any interesting personal anecdotes about moving away from all of your family and friends, or regretting not doing something like that.

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How confident are you in this relationship? Moving across the country to be with this girl is a gigantic step. A lot bigger than just moving in with her in your hometown.

p.s. From other thread, what is her third varsity sport besides the assumed Cross Country and Track?

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How confident are you in this relationship? Moving across the country to be with this girl is a gigantic step. A lot bigger than just moving in with her in your hometown.

p.s. From other thread, what is her third varsity sport besides the assumed Cross Country and Track?

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The relationship is the least of my concerns honestly. We're both very confident in it.

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Of course, there is also the whole, we both grew up around Atlanta and all our friends and family our here angle.

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This alone is enough for me to move, but I love change and upheaval.

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Housing at UCLA is gonna set you back about $1200~$1800 a month if you get a 1B/1BA. Studio goes for about $1000~$1500. A lot of students right now are still scrambling for housing so it shouldn't be that bad to find something in Westwood. If you want you can also commute to campus. How much are you willing to commute? There is really no "affordable" housing unless you're willing to drive 15 miles each way (For example Van Nuys is much cheaper and you can take the bus which also saves a lot of gas $ for your gf).

Hm I don't know what you want to know about UCLA and the surrounding area. I'll be writing my paper for the next 3 hours (aka be on my computer) so feel free to ask anything and i'll try my best to answer them. But I'd say from the situation she should definitely go with UCLA (we just built a new medical building too designed by IM Pei. It's pretty fresh)

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Hm I don't know what you want to know about UCLA and the surrounding area.

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For instance, who lives where? It seems that most med school students live on campus but that's not really feasible as that would require either living separately (too expensive) or being married (not quite in the cards before August 6th).

I heard that UCLA own apartment complexes outside of Westwood. True?

Also, C-walking. Required? How difficult to learn?

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(we just built a new medical building too designed by IM Pei. It's pretty fresh)

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Both Emory and UCLA have new buildings this year and Emory is also introducing a new curriculum (which has its pluses and minuses). UCLA actually does almost everything inside their hospital, while Emory has a class/research building and then uses Grady and the other surrounding hospitals during rotations.

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I don't know about Atlanta, but when I worked real estate in St. louis, almost no one ever lost their earnest money. Common practice was to make a token payment to get out of the contract, as the inspection clause was always an escape clause. It was very rare for anyone to be held to a contract, especially if the reason for the change was legit. I'll guess that Atlanta has the same working relationship between realtors, but even if it doesn't, a few thousand should hardly make a difference in choosing a future like this. Make the earnest money a non-issue, in the long run it's nothing.

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All freshmen and most sophomores live on-campus dorms. Most of the upper classmen live in Westwood or Santa Monica (which has shuttles that take them to campus). The graduate student housing is outside of Westwood (about 5 minutes drive on a good day. 15~25 traffic).

lol. I'm Chinese and not gangsta enough to C-walk. It'll b fairly easy to learn, I think. I don't dancce I just pull up my pants and do the rockaway. Westwood isn't really hood (UCLA is about 35~40% Asian). Hey at least if you move out you won't have to be associated with the likes of luda and dipset! hahahahahahahahahahaha

Also,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=1#Post10074800
I don't know if it's relevant but maybe you can find some info there that'd help you make the decision.

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i've lived in atlanta and la - i like them both a lot.

i think that moving away from where you grew up/where your family lives is always a good idea - even if it's just for a few years.

of cities i've lived in i would rank them:

1. LA/Chicago tie
2. Atlanta
3. Philadelphia
4. DC

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I'm a big LA booster. Incredibly variety / choice wrt food, nightlife, culture, people etc. etc. It's a bit daunting initially cause it's rather huge, and most people stick to their knitting upon moving here (don't leave 5 mile radius of where they live unless they have to), and may have a narrow view of metro LA. But one of LA-area's assets is that it houses incredible diversity and you can get urban, suburban, ocean, mountains all in a reasonable drive.

Also, once you begin to understand the different ethnic enclaves and what they have to offer, your experience in LA area becomes much richer, imo.

Traffic on the Westside freeways (especially along the 405) is pretty miserable (and on some other freeways) so you have to kind of just get over that to enjoy LA.

Of the cities I've lived in for >2 years (post-undergrad) I'd rank them:

1. LA
2. NYC (it's very close to LA though)
3. SF (not very close, although it's a cute city with beautiful views)

-Al

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I'm Chinese and not gangsta enough to C-walk. It'll b fairly easy to learn, I think. I don't dancce I just pull up my pants and do the rockaway. Westwood isn't really hood (UCLA is about 35~40% Asian).

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I can't speak for LA since I haven't been there and maybe SD is different because of all the transplants, but I expected people in SoCal to know how to dance.

I'm not saying I can tear up a dance floor, but I can hold a beat. So far, I haven't seen too many people in SD who can do the same.

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Meh I'm a horrid dancer. The "i dont dance i just pull up my pants" is from a song and whenever someone asks me if i dance i just tell them that. Haven't you been to SD for like a month by now? You should make a drive up here soon to visit and just hang out. Aren't you bored by SD by now anyways? It's so chillaxing it's amazing. El D needs to start a LA thread soon! (I don't want to break the trend of ED starting those city threads)

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Hanster - Is this you in teh vid?

-Al

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Meh I'm a horrid dancer. The "i dont dance i just pull up my pants" is from a song and whenever someone asks me if i dance i just tell them that. Haven't you been to SD for like a month by now? You should make a drive up here soon to visit and just hang out. Aren't you bored by SD by now anyways? It's so chillaxing it's amazing. El D needs to start a LA thread soon! (I don't want to break the trend of ED starting those city threads)

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That Fat Joe song comes to your mind while the Goodie Mob "They Don't Dance No Mo'" comes to my mind (and I hope mm knows that song being from ATL).

I definitely need to take a trip up to LA and I'll be hitting up 2p2ers when I do. "If" I get this job, they'll sned me to two weeks training in Azusa so I'm sure I'll visit then. I moved from Pittsburgh (335,000 people in city limits) to San Diego (1,225,000 people in city limits) so there's a hellova lot more to do here. I don't see myself getting bored anytime soon. Can you believe I haven't even been to the beach yet? How sad am I!

We definitely do need a SoCal thread though.

/hijack

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Anyway, this thread isn't so much about that (however feel free to comment) as it is about trying to find out some stuff about LA. For one, we'd have to have housing close to UCLA secured in the next month to allow time to move and neither of us have much clue about where the good/affordable areas are.

Also, please include any interesting personal anecdotes about moving away from all of your family and friends, or regretting not doing something like that.

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South of Wilshire there is lots of housing. if you just google map it, it'd be like midvale/rochester area. There is a midvale north of wilshire too, but thats considered part of westwood village and rent there is getting way expensive. also a plus about living south of wilshire is there is a shuttle bus that comes pretty often that'll drop you off on campus and its free for students (i think. they are raising LA bus prices everywhere but i think the shuttle is still free)

Also, i moved from NJ to LA to go to UCLA and didn't regret it a bit.

Now that I have contributed relevant information, i was curious about Alyosius: Why is SF a distant #3? I love LA but traffic/parking itself is a rather big bummer. As someone said earlier, people don't tend to venture >5 miles outside of where they live. A 5-10 mile drive regularly takes 45 min - an hour. However pretty much everywhere there is enough stuff to do within a small radius that 'long' drives aren't necessary.

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I live in LA and have lived in several other cities.
LA [censored] blows. It is easily the worst of all the cities I've been in.

The whole move away from where your lifelong friends live is really overrated in my view. If your just going to do it for a couple of years then it is no big deal...but if you think your going to try an establish a career life longterm 5 years+...choose a better city than LA.

If your sick and tired of Atl than yeah it makes sense...but if you like Atl...and have a ton of good friends there...why move?

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I thought c-walking died in the 90s. Get yo walk on...

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I have several friends who are doctors (which seems relevant to OP) who moved to LA for their residency or fellowship, and absolutely love it here, want to stay / raise families, etc.

As an aside, there are a ton of people in the greater LA area who don't work in the industry (i.e., Hollywood) and really enjoy it out here.

JFresh - haha I actually like SF, I just find myself taking potshots at the city cause there are so many "zomg SF is so awesome" people on these boards. And if you factor in the entire Bay Area (I really like Berkeley alot, for example), definitely a cool place to live.

SF itself, though, is fairly white-washed / homogenous to me and is not as vibrant, colorful, or cosmopolitan as LA. Also SF is tiny with way less options in general - so as far as cultural / restaurant / whatever offerings, it just can't compete with LA or NYC.

Also I live in Los Feliz, and I'm pretty sure traffic / parking is better on the East Side vs. living in Brentwood / BH / SM, so it's not such a negative for me. And if you think parking is a bitch in LA, try finding parking anywhere in SF... I have grown to enjoy the suburban / convenience factor of LA when it comes to day-to-day stuff like running errands, grocery shopping etc.

-Al

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mmbt,

You can always move back home. It's much easier to move back someplace you have roots than to leave someplace once you get older and develop even more roots.

I've lived in Atlanta and like it a lot, but I also think it is a better city for younger people. Lots of young people and cool stuff to do. Living in bigger, more diverse city is something that's a great experience, especially as you get a little older. Plus, this time you get a lot of control over where to go. There's a good chance you'll have to move again for her residency, and then your options might not be as good. So take advantage of this opportunity.

And like I said, if you realize your heart is really in Atlanta, it's super easy to move back in a few years.

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All in all, UCLA people pretty easy to get along with?

I think one her biggest hangups is the fact that getting in off a waitlist means no 2nd look weekend. Basically, that's where people who got accepted spend a weekend together touring the campus, getting acquainted with the city, and generally starting to meet all of the people they are going to spend the next four years with.

So it's a choice between suddenly moving to LA where we'd know nobody or staying in Atlanta where she's already met all of her future classmates.

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That's the thing. When the plan was obviously Emory, we were almost positive we didn't want to stay in Atlanta in four years for a residency, but were probably going to move back after spending however long it took her to finish that and any kind of fellowship.

So we were planning ahead to do something like this down the line, but with a little more....structure behind the whole process I guess.

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i am biased because i was born and raised in Atlanta, and I didn't like my one year in Chicago and I don't think i'd like LA too much

if u like ATL, then stay here; u may end up moving over there to a more expensive city, having to pay moving costs, getting a new job, etc and then end up hating it

Emory is a VERY good school; i doubt her future opportunities will vary much if she chooses UCLA over Emory...and if u plan on, or there is a decent probability that u will, living in Atlanta after she graduates, then her connections from going to Emory will likely mean more opportunities here by going to Emory than UCLA


it's a HUGE risk to move to LA for UCLA, so i would say stay here and go to Emory; but if u like change and wanna try out LA, here is your chance, so go for it

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Being a med student from the SE, Emory has a better reputation in my mind than UCLA. I just looked at an old copy of US News from 05' and they're pretty comparable, so quality of education for her will be v. good at either. Some things to consider though:
1. Will she be able to get in-state tuition after a year. At my school, it can be difficult to convince financial aid to allow u to do this. I would figure out what UCLA's process is for this as it will save at least 10k/ year. This should easily offset cost of living differences.

2. Will she have to move around for her third year clerkships. At my (public) school, I will be moving every month next year. While it'll be really nice to spend time at the beach and in different cities, it is a pain to move constantly and if i was in a long term relationship, it would be a much bigger problem. But if u're married by that time, she would have preference to stay in LA. This may not apply for Cali schools though.

3. I am very happy with my education, but there are some things that other private schools had that I wish we did. Videotaped classes, for one, would be awesome.

4. Atlanta is a really fun city. I have been there many times, but only to LA once. But others here have more experience with this.

5. Just because a school is harder to get in to, doesn't mean she will get a better education there. This especially may apply for her as an out-of-state student. She should try to contact students at both schools before making a decision.

Any questions, PM me.

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The problem with LA is that everything in LA is going to get worse and worse

Working in the industry doesn't really having anything to do with why LA sucks...traffic is a nightmare, smog, dirty beaches, housing is waaay overpriced, everything is expensive(gas/food/etc), the people are pretty lame overall, etc. Now there are a lot of cool things about LA too but long term I'd say the negatives out weigh the cool things esp as you get older.

I also know several doctor friends who love it...but that is only because they live and work in one area(Pacific Palisades/Beverly Hills) etc...and never leave that area.

San Diego would be a much better choice if your moving to S. Cali...but it obv wouldn't work in your case.

I doubt going to UCLA would make that huge a difference in her career than going to Emory.

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The problem with LA is that everything in LA is going to get worse and worse

Working in the industry doesn't really having anything to do with why LA sucks...traffic is a nightmare, smog, dirty beaches, housing is waaay overpriced, everything is expensive(gas/food/etc), the people are pretty lame overall, etc. Now there are a lot of cool things about LA too but long term I'd say the negatives out weigh the cool things esp as you get older.

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CDS - well I guess we'll have to disagree on these points. I mean the "people are pretty lame overall" comment is kind of absurd considering it's a huge city with millions of people. And if anything, I've found LA people to be more mellow / easygoing than people in SF or of course NYC.

Pretty sure also that LA smog has gotten better (or at least flattened) and is not getting worse due to emissions restrictions etc. And traffic, while it can be bad, is not that bad locally.

I think a couple things (and I'm not sure how it compares to ATL, but I do know vs. SF and NYC) that LA has going for it is that 1) bang for the buck real estate wise (compare what you'd get for $1M in LA vs. NYC or SF); 2) convenience; 3) weather.

Outside of dismal public schools (so added price of private schools for your kids), I think alot of things about LA favor it as being a good place to be as you get older.

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And of the different places to try living in the US, LA is definitely up there by any objective metric. For mmbtone and his girlfriend, seems like there are alot of other considerations and it might not make sense to move to LA right now... but if you're going to move somewhere and try something new, you could do a whole lot worse than SoCal.

-Al

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i left Chicago for the LA area (Long Beach), and have spent time in ATL and i must say, S. California kills everywhere i have ever been. i've heard people say that people out here are lame but i have not found that to be the case at all so far. Food and gas only marginally more expensive than the national average, but housing is indeed brutal. the smog is brutal as well, but not too much more so than it is anywhere else with a high concentration of people... "the big one" is serious though, not looking forward to that at all, make sure to have a lot of bottled water/canned food/flashlights... i love it here though, will never leave

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mmbt0ne,

As has been said, "LA" is just huge. It's not really one city, it's more like 100 smaller cities that overlap with one another. There are a lot of negatives: traffic (although ATL has some pretty bad traffic as well) and cost of living (although as Al said it compares well with SF and NYC) being the worst.

I've lived here for over 10 years and didn't start feeling at all comfortable until I moved to Los Feliz five years ago. It's all about finding your place IMO. The weather is also pretty awesome, smog doesn't bother me too much. It's easy to get used to lots of sunshine. LA has a shitton of great restaurants of all types, and it's 1-2 hours from just about anything you could want to do: hiking, camping, skiiing, San Diego, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara, etc etc etc. You have to work a little to find all these things on your own, but there's a lot to do.

UCLA is on the Westside, which is not my cup of tea. I find the people to be pretty snooty and most "LA" of all the areas I've spent time in. If I were going to school at UCLA I'd probably look for a place in Venice rather than in Santa Monica or Westwood, just because I like the Venice vibe much more - it's more eclectic and artsy and less obsessed with income and plastic surgery. Again, one man's opinion.

I think this sounds like a great opportunity to spread your wings a little without making a permanent commitment. You should definitely visit before you make the decision, but it'll be hard to get a real sense of the place over a long weekend (I think it took me two years).

I'm not extremely knowledgeable about med schools, but everything I've heard about the UCLA hospital system is very positive. It's a popular place to have babies, and one of my partners' son had major heart surgery there. From a learning and networking perspective, I have to imagine it's a great place to start.

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Yeah the people thing is true..but I've mainly lived on the westside cuz of work so I've had to deal with a majority of the "LA' people I guess. Traffic is pretty heiness..not sure where u live
but going from brentwood to westwood which is just like 2-4 miles can sometimes take 30-45 minutes...and the freeways can be godawful.

I grew up in AZ so the weather doesn't really stick out for me..but i can see how that would be huge for someone used to crappy weather. all together I've lived in Ft Lauderdale/the Caymans/NYC/LA/Scottsdale/Tucson/San Diego/and Alaska...and LA is def near the bottom in my view and I'll be bolting the second I get some financial stability. but thats just me.

LA has always struck me as a great city to have a condo in that you can cruise out to for like a short amount of time..then go back to your house where ever it is..Boulder/Scottsdale/SD/NYC/Montana etc

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I don't see how anyone can hate LA, as LFS said, "it's more like 100 smaller cities that overlap with one another". It's all about finding your niche.

I abhor the Westside and try never to cross the 405 if at all possible(unless more south to Manhattan Beach). There are a lot of "LA people", but they are very easily avoidable.

Traffic is probably my #1 problem with the city. I used to live in the 909 area code, so the smog is actually not as bad in metro LA.

I have a couple of friends that really wanted to go to UCLA Med School but were rejected, UCLA has great name recognition on the West Coast. The rejection crushed them(especially since one of them had to go all the way to Pitt instead).

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t0ne,

I didn't read the responses, but I can comment from what I know of having a med school girlfriend, and several friends who graduated from Emory Medical School. Med school in general is all about getting the residency you want. I realize that UCLA is top notch (13 in US News),but Emory isn't that far behind (23 in US News). Long story short, if she does well at either place, they're both so good that the chances of her landing the residency she wants are very good. Granted, the chances may be slightly better if she goes to UCLA and is interested in a highly competitive residency spot; but I don't see the difference as being that great. From what I know, great students from Emory can pretty much go wherever they want, just like great students from UCLA. I have several friends who just finished med school at Emory that have landed VERY desired spots. Likewise, I have more friends who just finished medical school here at Vanderbilt (which is very comparable to Emory in terms of rank and prestige), and the good ones also got their first choice for residency programs.

To me, this is a clearcut "where do I want to live?" choice. If you love ATL, have already made arrangements to buy a house, have friends and family, etc., I wouldn't let the fact that UCLA is 10 spots higher (this year) in the US News Rankings affect your decision that much.

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especially if you are from ATL and have lived there all your life, you should definitely try living someplace totally different, and LA is def totally different.

I lived in the same city (raleigh, nc) until I was 23, and moving to nyc was a great and eye opening experience. I still think raleigh is a great place and would def live there again but making the move to nyc was a great decision for me and I don't regret it at all.

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Pretty sure also that LA smog has gotten better (or at least flattened) and is not getting worse due to emissions restrictions etc.

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i was recently watching an interview with an established music producer from LA who said he had lived here for 10 years, moved away for 5, came back and was surprised to actually be able to see the mountains surrounding the city, having not even known they were there before... he obviously didn't get out much to not know there are mountains north of LA, but it is an example on how far LA has come in terms of reducing emissions.

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hahahaha no that is AZN not Asian.

mm,
Everything said in this thread is true to some degrees. If your gf is willing to drive 20 mins each way to school I will agree with LSF about living in Venice. You can't live without a car but it would be such a pain in the butt.

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I've lived in westwood for almost 6 years now. 4 years undergrad at UCLA + 1 year masters + almost 1 year working.

My roommate from my 3rd year and old high school buddy is finishing his first year at UCLA med school right now. He lives with his long time girlfriend near Hilgard and Le Conte in Westwood, which is like a 5 minute walk from his classes. Pays around 1200 for a cozy 1 bedroom. I live in the westwood north village, and my roommate and I pay 1900 for a 2 bedroom. We found these places on www.westsiderentals.com, which I highly recommend. We just used someone else's account who signed up already, but it's well worth the 60 bucks.

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I also know several grad students living in the grad student housing in palms. They take the bus or bike to school and seem to enjoy saving the couple hundred bucks in rent each month. I also know a few grad students in the westwood housing which is more expensive, but quite nice and obviously very convenient.

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DN,

By the time you've made it to the 405 you've already gone way too far. I won't cross La Cienega.

Eastside represent booyashaka!

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Woooo! Haha but... the beaches of Malibu... they are over there...

Actually - I've grown to like the West Side also. This is the yuppie part of me that gets a little sick of the hipsters all over the place. Also the air is better there.

-Al

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DN,

By the time you've made it to the 405 you've already gone way too far. I won't cross La Cienega.

Eastside represent booyashaka!

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DN,

By the time you've made it to the 405 you've already gone way too far. I won't cross La Cienega.

Eastside represent booyashaka!

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hahahaha i dont know why but this is funny. Are we really that despicable?

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DN,

By the time you've made it to the 405 you've already gone way too far. I won't cross La Cienega.

Eastside represent booyashaka!

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Exceptions for WeHo y'alllllllllll!

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Guys,

All my life I've been searching for a purpose, and I think it might be to post in this thread. Let me give it some thought.