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disco_stu1978 06-10-2007 12:20 AM

A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
All hands take place in .25/.50 and are all pretty standard tables for those levels. (loose/passive) I do not have a very huge database on the players I am against and I would say that no one in these hands has more than 300-500 hands put in, so realistically readless. assume that the players are typical unless otherwise stated.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero ???

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero ???

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>???

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>???

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>???

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero???

marchron 06-10-2007 12:24 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
Call.
Call.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Call.

bravos1 06-10-2007 12:25 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
limp
limp
raise
raise
raise
raise/call like you did.. call flop bet

disco_stu1978 06-10-2007 12:30 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
ok, cool. I had just finished a massive disect of my PT database, followed by a re-read of SSH and found alot of hands like this. I was not sure if limping these 66- hands in EP was standard here.

I also found alot of missed value in these hands that should have been pealed and were not.

thanks for the afirmtion [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] heres to renewed vigor!

unterfish 06-10-2007 12:34 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^

disco_stu1978 06-10-2007 12:39 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
I have studied all that stuff, and have a ton of info around the old poker den. But a lot of these hands are in the kinda gray area. (i am in the full ring section yes?)

I just found that I was getting myself into an autopilot sort of headspace and wanted to really re-afirm that what I was doing PF was the right line.

just to clearify, I made all the same plays that were suggested. hence the affirmation. It's kinda like a "am I flying this plane in the right direction" sorta thing?

bravos1 06-10-2007 12:39 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
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Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^

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how does that help you w/ the last hand?

unterfish 06-10-2007 12:45 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^

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how does that help you w/ the last hand?

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Doh. You are stabbing at me. I dont deserve this [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Edit: LOL. Last hand? I would bet/3bet/fold here, of course.
Editedit: Nah. Bet/3bet/call is better, I says. DUCY?

NIX 06-10-2007 01:49 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
1 - limp
2 - limp
3 - raise
4 - raise
5 - raise
6 - raise/call. You have odds on the flop to call for your gutshot/BDFD

OziBattler 06-10-2007 03:26 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
1 - limp
2 - limp
3 - raise
4 - raise
5 - raise
6 - raise/call. You have odds on the flop to call for your gutshot/BDFD

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qft

00Snitch 06-10-2007 03:30 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
looks like you did right in all these

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 06-10-2007 05:20 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Call.
Call.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Call.

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nailed it

none of these decisions are close at all....

marchron 06-10-2007 07:21 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what?

sharpie 06-10-2007 07:27 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
GRUNCHYKINS

1. limp
2. limp
3. raise
4. raise
5. raise
7. peel

Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 06-10-2007 10:23 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
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Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what?

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err sorry which decision?

i mean preflop we could call i guess, but flop seems pretty standard c/c?

NIX 06-10-2007 10:24 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what?

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I was unclear. Raise/call was preflop. Call for the flop. i.e. I agree with everyone who is sane in this thread.

RabidTortuga 06-10-2007 11:03 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
Apparently I'm playing too tight preflop, as I generally fold small pairs in EP, and often MP first in. I thought you needed four or five players to make these hands worth the preflop investment, and there's no way to be sure that will happen from EP.

I know the OP says loose passive tables, but I haven't seen many of those at .25/.50 on FTP, or my definition of loose passive is off. The tables I'm seeing are typically 25% VPIP on average, with 8-12% PFR, which means most hands are raised PF.

Should I be limping these hands preflop, or am I folding correctly?

NIX 06-10-2007 11:51 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
With my answers, I was assuming much softer tables than the ones you describe RT. If your FT tables are typically 3 to the flop for 2 bets or something similar, I wouldn't limp small pairs in EP either.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 06-10-2007 12:24 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what?

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I was unclear. Raise/call was preflop. Call for the flop. i.e. I agree with everyone who is sane in this thread.

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aha even the insane arent disagreeing here

disco_stu1978 06-10-2007 02:39 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
oh jesus! your tables on FTP are nuts! Are they seriously that hard? The ones I pick on stars are usually 35%+ VPIP, and like 4-8% PFR. I will occasionally sit at a few tables like the ones you are describing. (or end up having them change to this) but then I will tighten it up a little.

disco_stu1978 06-10-2007 02:43 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
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Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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better? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

RabidTortuga 06-10-2007 03:23 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
oh jesus! your tables on FTP are nuts! Are they seriously that hard? The ones I pick on stars are usually 35%+ VPIP, and like 4-8% PFR. I will occasionally sit at a few tables like the ones you are describing. (or end up having them change to this) but then I will tighten it up a little.

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25% VPIP and 10% PFR seems standard. I just finished a session where the VPIP was 30% for an hour, and it seemed loose as anything to me. I also had position on the two donks, but was a little card dead.

I may have to look into moving some money to stars. My game selection has been restricted to FTP since the Neteller collapse. What's the standard deposit method nowadays?

Samystylez 06-10-2007 06:25 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive?

fretelöo 06-10-2007 06:33 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
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Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive?

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It's more or less a coin-flip. In more aggresive games it's an auto-raise, in very loose-passive games with many cold-callers, a raise isn't bad, but it loses some of it's value (which, with AJ is to a relatively large extend: thinning the field).

Xhad 06-10-2007 07:28 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Call.
Call.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Call.

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nailed it

none of these decisions are close at all....

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AJo pf is close though raising is the best default.

sharpie 06-10-2007 07:30 PM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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better? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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LOL I love it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S 06-11-2007 04:27 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
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Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive?

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i would recommend not raising this if you are a new player.

its neutral ev

infinity235 06-11-2007 09:44 AM

Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive?

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i would recommend not raising this if you are a new player.

its neutral ev

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any EV charts out there?


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