A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
All hands take place in .25/.50 and are all pretty standard tables for those levels. (loose/passive) I do not have a very huge database on the players I am against and I would say that no one in these hands has more than 300-500 hands put in, so realistically readless. assume that the players are typical unless otherwise stated.
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero ??? PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero ??? PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>??? PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>??? PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>??? PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (10.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero??? |
Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
Call.
Call. Yes. Yes. Yes. Call. |
Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
limp
limp raise raise raise raise/call like you did.. call flop bet |
Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
ok, cool. I had just finished a massive disect of my PT database, followed by a re-read of SSH and found alot of hands like this. I was not sure if limping these 66- hands in EP was standard here.
I also found alot of missed value in these hands that should have been pealed and were not. thanks for the afirmtion [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] heres to renewed vigor! |
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Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^
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I have studied all that stuff, and have a ton of info around the old poker den. But a lot of these hands are in the kinda gray area. (i am in the full ring section yes?)
I just found that I was getting myself into an autopilot sort of headspace and wanted to really re-afirm that what I was doing PF was the right line. just to clearify, I made all the same plays that were suggested. hence the affirmation. It's kinda like a "am I flying this plane in the right direction" sorta thing? |
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Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^ [/ QUOTE ] how does that help you w/ the last hand? |
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[ QUOTE ] Starting Hand Charts FTW!^^ [/ QUOTE ] how does that help you w/ the last hand? [/ QUOTE ] Doh. You are stabbing at me. I dont deserve this [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Edit: LOL. Last hand? I would bet/3bet/fold here, of course. Editedit: Nah. Bet/3bet/call is better, I says. DUCY? |
Re: A few pretty basic hands that I think I\'m playing wrong. feedback?
1 - limp
2 - limp 3 - raise 4 - raise 5 - raise 6 - raise/call. You have odds on the flop to call for your gutshot/BDFD |
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1 - limp 2 - limp 3 - raise 4 - raise 5 - raise 6 - raise/call. You have odds on the flop to call for your gutshot/BDFD [/ QUOTE ] qft |
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looks like you did right in all these
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Call. Call. Yes. Yes. Yes. Call. [/ QUOTE ] nailed it none of these decisions are close at all.... |
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Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what?
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GRUNCHYKINS
1. limp 2. limp 3. raise 4. raise 5. raise 7. peel Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what? [/ QUOTE ] err sorry which decision? i mean preflop we could call i guess, but flop seems pretty standard c/c? |
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Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what? [/ QUOTE ] I was unclear. Raise/call was preflop. Call for the flop. i.e. I agree with everyone who is sane in this thread. |
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Apparently I'm playing too tight preflop, as I generally fold small pairs in EP, and often MP first in. I thought you needed four or five players to make these hands worth the preflop investment, and there's no way to be sure that will happen from EP.
I know the OP says loose passive tables, but I haven't seen many of those at .25/.50 on FTP, or my definition of loose passive is off. The tables I'm seeing are typically 25% VPIP on average, with 8-12% PFR, which means most hands are raised PF. Should I be limping these hands preflop, or am I folding correctly? |
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With my answers, I was assuming much softer tables than the ones you describe RT. If your FT tables are typically 3 to the flop for 2 bets or something similar, I wouldn't limp small pairs in EP either.
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[ QUOTE ] Well, we do have a raise/call idea for the last hand. NIX, are we freecarding this, or what? [/ QUOTE ] I was unclear. Raise/call was preflop. Call for the flop. i.e. I agree with everyone who is sane in this thread. [/ QUOTE ] aha even the insane arent disagreeing here |
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oh jesus! your tables on FTP are nuts! Are they seriously that hard? The ones I pick on stars are usually 35%+ VPIP, and like 4-8% PFR. I will occasionally sit at a few tables like the ones you are describing. (or end up having them change to this) but then I will tighten it up a little.
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Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] better? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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oh jesus! your tables on FTP are nuts! Are they seriously that hard? The ones I pick on stars are usually 35%+ VPIP, and like 4-8% PFR. I will occasionally sit at a few tables like the ones you are describing. (or end up having them change to this) but then I will tighten it up a little. [/ QUOTE ] 25% VPIP and 10% PFR seems standard. I just finished a session where the VPIP was 30% for an hour, and it seemed loose as anything to me. I also had position on the two donks, but was a little card dead. I may have to look into moving some money to stars. My game selection has been restricted to FTP since the Neteller collapse. What's the standard deposit method nowadays? |
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Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive?
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Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive? [/ QUOTE ] It's more or less a coin-flip. In more aggresive games it's an auto-raise, in very loose-passive games with many cold-callers, a raise isn't bad, but it loses some of it's value (which, with AJ is to a relatively large extend: thinning the field). |
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[ QUOTE ] Call. Call. Yes. Yes. Yes. Call. [/ QUOTE ] nailed it none of these decisions are close at all.... [/ QUOTE ] AJo pf is close though raising is the best default. |
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[ QUOTE ] Edit: P.S. Your avatar is a bit repulsive. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] better? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] LOL I love it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive? [/ QUOTE ] i would recommend not raising this if you are a new player. its neutral ev |
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[ QUOTE ] Isn't it a bit risky to raise AJo UTG or is not raising to passive? [/ QUOTE ] i would recommend not raising this if you are a new player. its neutral ev [/ QUOTE ] any EV charts out there? |
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