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villain is 53/15/0.6 W2SD: 65 after 70 hands
I have seen villain previously check thru last to act with a flopped boat after 3betting 44 PF (& of course I had to hit my [censored] lower set on the river!)
Also I don't consider this guy very smart at all.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero?

Thoughts?

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I'd like to know if he c-bets 100% of the time unless he has a monster. If that's the case, I call down, potentially check/folding a river diamond.

If he can slowplay Ax or 7x on the flop or won't bet two cards between 8-K, then I 3-bet here, although his low AF seems to indicate he's probably not messing around here and this just isn't a semibluff with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X or something similar. I'd really have a hard time putting him on just AA/77/A7 here unless those are the only hands he checks through on the flop with.

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The flop checking through is pretty bad news. I don't know how bad since dumb players may check through with AK to slowplay it. I'd rather bet-call, check-call than check-raise-call, check-call.

I can see reasons for check-calling the turn, but I can also recall times where I've seen villain check behind with 22 and call a river bet (playing to show down his pair as cheaply as possible). Given his very high W2SD, I only somewhat surprised by this.

If you put in 1-3 bets on the turn and river, I think it's fine.

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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Ya srsly!1

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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Ya srsly!1

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from you this is LOL.. I'm sure you b/3bet here.. ZOMG you have a flush!

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I do not now why, but for some reason I am thinking C/C here, and maybe raising any kind of brick river?

is that bad?

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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Ya srsly!1

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from you this is LOL.. I'm sure you b/3bet here.. ZOMG you have a flush!

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This is about right. But I would bet/call turn, but bet/3bet/fold river actually. And c-bet the flop obv.

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LOL,

@ unterfish;

bet/3bet/fold a river = AWFUL! After you made a 3bet, you definitely got to call 1 more to see showdown!

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bet/3bet/fold river actually.

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ahahahahahahahaha

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I'm definitely not considering folding, I think he can have AK, a 7, or a bluff here. I don't know if I would 3 bet, b/c I'm not folding against this guy but I'm not happy if the turn gets capped. Probably I would just call, hit 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on river and bet/3bet.

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LOL,

@ unterfish;

bet/3bet/fold a river = AWFUL! After you made a 3bet, you definitely got to call 1 more to see showdown!

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Rly? Y?

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results?

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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yes. his range is skewed toward air/AA/A7/77. betting vs. this range is pointless.

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results?

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In white below:

<font color="white">villain has red 66</font>

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turn is between c/c c/f and open fold, not bet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Seriously?

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yes. his range is skewed toward air/AA/A7/77. betting vs. this range is pointless.

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The problem is that a decent portion of those air hands contain a diamond and he just might check behind and spike a free winner. I would agree more if Hero had a better flush.

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yes. his range is skewed toward air/AA/A7/77. betting vs. this range is pointless.

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You're kidding, right? He doesn't have any other Ax ever? OP said he was a moron, which means any range for him has to be a lot wider than Nuts-Or-Crap.

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yes. his range is skewed toward air/AA/A7/77. betting vs. this range is pointless.

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You're kidding, right? He doesn't have any other Ax ever? OP said he was a moron, which means any range for him has to be a lot wider than Nuts-Or-Crap.

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Yeah I agree, a huge donkey checks the flop behind once with a huge hand, so every time he checks it he has a monster? I think he prob calls with big [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and pocket pairs, maybe even something like KQ.

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you dont want to be raised and hes betting his whole range. im not kidding...................

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I have a flush. I'm pretty sure I want to be raised, or at least wouldn't mind an awful lot of the time.

Seriously, what makes you so sure this is a boat/quads more often than the standard slowplayed trips?

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I have a flush. I'm pretty sure I want to be raised, or at least wouldn't mind an awful lot of the time.

Seriously, what makes you so sure this is a boat/quads more often than the standard slowplayed trips?

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I'm not sure how often UTG has 7x. Mostly because with his PFR of 15, I don't think he's raising a lot of 7x's from his position other than 77 and maybe A7s. Because I think a lot of his range is two broadways, some bigger pocket pairs, and some slowplayed Ax's, several of which contain a diamond, I'd hate to give him the chance to check behind again. I still like leading the turn.

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you dont want to be raised and hes betting his whole range. im not kidding...................

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We don't want to be raised when he's betting his whole range. The question is why do we think he's betting his whole range?

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when you check twice to him he bets his whole range. this is a very good general rule to go by (much more useful than thinking you're inducing 66 to bluff raise here).

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when you check twice to him he bets his whole range. this is a very good general rule to go by (much more useful than thinking you're inducing 66 to bluff raise here).

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You are not betting here to get 66 to bluff raise, you are betting to get value from [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], other pocket pairs, an otehr hands. I guess fine if you want to check the turn, but I think you have to be c/r.

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maybe my experience is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different wrt a UTG raise + flop check on A77. why would he check behind anything but AA/77? do you really think he's ever checking behind two unpaired cards? never. and if he does he's going to bet when you check to him again. do you expect him to raise if he's playing a kind of wa/wb/bluff inducing line with KK (or 66)? no. but he'll bet when checked to.

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maybe my experience is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different wrt a UTG raise + flop check on A77. why would he check behind anything but AA/77? do you really think he's ever checking behind two unpaired cards? never. and if he does he's going to bet when you check to him again. do you expect him to raise if he's playing a kind of wa/wb/bluff inducing line with KK (or 66)? no. but he'll bet when checked to.

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I haven't played much poker for a while so to be honest I dont' really know. I guess I maybe am not super sure about the villian's PT agression numbers. Obv if I have a read about villian bettting when checked to, then I prob c/r the turn.

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maybe my experience is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different wrt a UTG raise + flop check on A77. why would he check behind anything but AA/77? do you really think he's ever checking behind two unpaired cards? never. and if he does he's going to bet when you check to him again. do you expect him to raise if he's playing a kind of wa/wb/bluff inducing line with KK (or 66)? no. but he'll bet when checked to.

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Also I don't consider this guy very smart at all.

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