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Chaostracize 06-09-2007 01:30 PM

River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

BB ($969)
UTG ($965)
MP ($1435)
CO ($2639.10)
Hero ($1150)
SB ($727)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $30, UTG calls $30.

Flop: ($125) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($125) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, BB calls $100, UTG calls $100.

River: ($425) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $555</font>...

No reads, been here a couple orbits

xorbie 06-09-2007 01:33 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

i guess its unlikely he has a set/straight closing the action, which makes aces up pretty likely. if hes smart, AT or better is kinda out for you as well, so its tough to ask a fold of him.

yenman 06-09-2007 01:34 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
i guess ur repping a flopped str8....? most strong hands and darws would bet draw you would think.

Laetus 06-09-2007 01:35 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
It looks like he's block betting w/ something he want a cheap showdown w/ and he shouldn't be able to call a raise and due to obvious reasons we don't need to worry to much about BB. So I think it's a good bluff.

jfish 06-09-2007 01:35 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
2pr with an ace is a large part of his range here. i hate it.

TheWorstPlayer 06-09-2007 01:36 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
hahahahahahaha these responses are great. this is fine.

catcher193 06-09-2007 01:36 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
man with no read its so tough because you can almost be positive this is aces up, I think you will get a fold from a fullstack in the PokerStars 5/10 game, but I havent played it in awhile.

lol I hope BB snap calls aces and 3s.

TheWorstPlayer 06-09-2007 01:36 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
you guys who think this is aces up are ridiculous. sure it's possible, but it's like 10% of his range at MOST.

xorbie 06-09-2007 01:37 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
lol, i get called here by AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so i dunno. i need to move up to where my raises get respect i guess.

catcher193 06-09-2007 01:38 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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you guys who think this is aces up are ridiculous. sure it's possible, but it's like 10% of his range at MOST.

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lol

TheWorstPlayer 06-09-2007 01:39 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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lol, i get called here by AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so i dunno. i need to move up to where my raises get respect i guess.

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everyone gets called by AQ here. but he doesn't have that very often. his most likely hands are by far a pair of tens, nines, or eights.

jfish 06-09-2007 01:39 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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you guys who think this is aces up are ridiculous. sure it's possible, but it's like 10% of his range at MOST.

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he limp/called utg. hes betting on a "scare" card that is likely to hit hero. he didnt put in a raise or bet anywhere else.

even though he did bet small, its established hes not very good so i think that aces up is actually a pretty significant part of his range. 10% is absurd.

Chaostracize 06-09-2007 01:43 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
Let's disregard AQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for a second...how about A2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] How often will this be A. a blocker from a weak A and B. How often can I push him off it?

pokeriseasy 06-09-2007 01:43 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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i guess ur repping a flopped str8....? most strong hands and darws would bet draw you would think.

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I doubt he's repping a flopped a straight, it's more likely he's repping 33, or a big A with the diamond draw.

The river bet is so weak it seems like he's begging for a raise. I think he's going to call here pretty light assuming he's any good, but if he's bad he could betting a T here and folding to a raise. With no reads I tend to just think guys are bad and he's betting a T and will fold.

Chaostracize 06-09-2007 01:45 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
Or how about this? What If I have A2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and I do this for value?

edited for even sicker value raise

TheWorstPlayer 06-09-2007 01:52 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
uh, ofc he's calling if he has an ace! that's TOP PAIR! I played a hand the other day that might elucidate this principle. guy limps UTG 1.7k effective. i raise KQ in the BB, he calls. Flop AKK. I pot, he calls. turn 4 I pot he calls. river 3 I push he calls A5.

Chaostracize 06-09-2007 01:58 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
oh man, thank you so much for elucidating

TheWorstPlayer 06-09-2007 02:02 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
anything for you hotstuff

wpr101 06-09-2007 03:44 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
I'd prefer it with some reads, but it's not that bad or anything.

Overfloater 06-09-2007 07:00 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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uh, ofc he's calling if he has an ace! that's TOP PAIR! I played a hand the other day that might elucidate this principle. guy limps UTG 1.7k effective. i raise KQ in the BB, he calls. Flop AKK. I pot, he calls. turn 4 I pot he calls. river 3 I push he calls A5.

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how did you get so good at poker?

rand 06-09-2007 07:12 PM

Re: River bluff raise, obviously 1k
 
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hahahahahahaha these responses are great. this is fine.

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this is only fine if you raise this for value when you hit it which i bet you dont...id call u with 8s+

and fwiw i think his range is much more air than a small pair...


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