Overpair to the board, Lets Play along
 

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Villain is running 27.5/13/4 over 80 hands. Play along with the hand and give valid reasons for what Hero should or shouldn't do on each street, along with respective hand ranges that the BB might have.

SB: $9.30
BB: $20.60
UTG: $19.35
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $13.70</font>
CO: $7.60
BTN: $4.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.35</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Re: Overpair to the board, Lets Play along
 

Raise to $2.25. People at this level love to slowplay in raised pots and I doubt he has you beat here unless it's exactly 99/TT.

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Raising is bad, you'll get called with a ton of hands and have no idea where you're at, bloating the pot and letting villain play perfectly.

Normally here my strat is to call that, check behind on turn, let him fire off a bluff on river.

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i agree w/vyse.

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Raising is bad, you'll get called with a ton of hands and have no idea where you're at, bloating the pot and letting villain play perfectly.

Normally here my strat is to call that, check behind on turn, let him fire off a bluff on river.

[/ QUOTE ] Raising is bad, you'll get called with a ton of hands and have no idea where you're at, bloating the pot and letting villain play perfectly.

I like where you are going with this, lets expound upon the idea of why raising a flop like this with an overpair is bad.

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You want him to keep betting his 6 or whatever.

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If I had TT+ I'd be less worried about overcards and would be more inclined to fire a bet on the turn or river. Wiht a moderate overpair and a dry board, any big pot I get into I'm definitely dead to two cards, so I'll settle for a small / middle pot and let him outplay himself. I'm playing pretty much every overpair like this, though, depending on villain obv.

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SB: $9.30
BB: $20.60
UTG: $19.35
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $13.70</font>
CO: $7.60
BTN: $4.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.35</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($2.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.25</font>, Hero????

I think villain leading into us on the turn for a psb should narrow down his range a little, let's put him on a hand range and see what kind of equity we have in the hand and what hero should do here???

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We're never folding here, so the best thing to do is figure out what the best thing to do for the turn and maybe river is. Raise him off his hand now and represent the ace, orj ust call?

I simply call because people take their bluffs too far at this level or simply overvalue their hand. He may have actually hit the ace, too, so raising is a double-edged sword of not getting enough value and maybe running into a wall.

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My gut tells me we're beat.
At this level stakes when someone bets pot into the preflop raiser, then the big overcard comes and they bet pot again, then invariably one pair is no good.
What's he repping? Why didn't the ace slow him down?
I'm folding here, expecting 45, set or some 2 pair hand but I'm a nit:)

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He's going to play a ton of trash the same way. In fact, all trash.

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He's going to play a ton of trash the same way. In fact, all trash.

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So your range for him at this point is........ATC?

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Include this stat for your thinking, Hero is Running 24.7/13.8/2.5 what hands do we put the villain on here???

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Include this stat for your thinking, Hero is Running 24.7/13.8/2.5 what hands do we put the villain on here???

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Sets/straight/2 pair/overpair/44/55/air.
Obviously crushed by sets, straight, 2 pair. Sets and straight (45s) make sense for all streets.
Any 2 pair hand is a pretty poor pf call from him so less likely.
The only overpair we beat is 77. The 44/55 has a gutshot but I doubt he's going pot/pot with that. Air is possible but why would he?
OP, what was your range for him at this point?

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I had seen him try and take pots away when the flop looked like it had not connected with the PFR, villain was fairly aggressive. Put him on small PP/SC/2pair with some bluff frequency. Villain was mixing it up at the table and had shown several bluffs

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $9.30
BB: $20.60
UTG: $19.35
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $13.70</font>
CO: $7.60
BTN: $4.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.35</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($2.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.25</font>, Hero calls $2.25

<font color="black">River:</font> ($6.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.00</font>, Hero??

Well it looks like I might have hit Gin here, but still a pretty scary board for the villain the bet. What is the hero's action??

Re: Overpair to the board, Lets Play along
 

Raise obv. $15.

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We're never folding here, so the best thing to do is figure out what the best thing to do for the turn and maybe river is. Raise him off his hand now and represent the ace, orj ust call?

I simply call because people take their bluffs too far at this level or simply overvalue their hand. He may have actually hit the ace, too, so raising is a double-edged sword of not getting enough value and maybe running into a wall.

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You're never folding here? Just how much value do you put on pocket 8s? There's a lot of room for a read here. if opponent is complete idiot this might be a call.

Against a lot of players, this is a lot of strength and will often beat 1 pair.

To say you'll never fold here is crazy.

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Don't quite have that behind, started the hand with 13.7.
Provide some reasons for raising, and why it is better than calling in this spot.

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You're never folding here? Just how much value do you put on pocket 8s? There's a lot of room for a read here. if opponent is complete idiot this might be a call.

Against a lot of players, this is a lot of strength and will often beat 1 pair.

To say you'll never fold here is crazy.

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The flop likely didn't hit him. He's re-raising overpairs / big Aces / some broadway PF. The ace easily could've hit him, but odds are more likely it didn't. We're likely looking at a small overpair, with only about 99 beating us, a mini two pair, or trash like 2nd pair.

Now if he potted the river, obviously we fold. IME though this is not a line a strong hand like KK or 23 takes.

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Don't quite have that behind, started the hand with 13.7.
Provide some reasons for raising, and why it is better than calling in this spot.

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you lose value from a ton of hands by just calling. It's possible, but unlikely that he hit that flush and all two pair hands call you, and TPTK calls you amongst the other crap.

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Villains calling range to a river raise is set/str8/the odd two pair.
You are a favorite against his calling range, so push it in.

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The river is an easy shove, pretty much the only hand he can possibly hold that beats you is a flopped straight. If he's holding that, just say "NH sir!" and move on. You're giving up TONS of value because any 2 pair/lower set/TP kinda hand is going to call your shove.