400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

No stats on villain, but he is a big winner on this site at nearly every level. He seemed to be playing a bit loose passive within the last 100 hands or so. I believe he views me as loose/weak/tilty as I have dumped like 4 buyins so far.

Anyways, three people just sat out within the last three hands, so we just became three handed at this point.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: $2132.70
Hero: $583.10
BB: $180.40

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($48, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $32</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($112, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $90</font>, Button calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($292, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $292</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $876

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Looks like J9s

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Unless I'm playing an absolute aggrodonk I fold this every time (and that is without villain viewing you as loose and tilty).

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

shrug i cant fold this when he limp/called the button. im not really giving him all that much credit.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

I guess this pretty boring, but I have a very very narrow hand range that beats me when villain bets pot with on river.

Any thoughts on an estimated range?

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

missed diamonds, j9, jk/jq (depending on villain)

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

this sucks because he knows you're c/c here probably so I think you're beat a lot of the time, I still can't fold here though. Also, I'd bet this river a lot and sometimes shove for value.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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Agree with this.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

I agree with all thats been said. You're going to get value bluffed off the best hand if you plan on c/fing here. I like a faux blocker here.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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pretty sure op realizes this.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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Yea, that was the idea.

FWIW in the hand I snap-called his river bet, but only because I had already decided to check/call any river bet. After reviewing hands (after one of my worst sessions ever), I realized that I did a LOT of check calling, but rarely encountered a bluff that was a psb on river.

In this hand in particular I think the only hand that I am being showed that beats me is Ad3d/3x. This is mostly because I would expect a smaller value bet out of him with a rivered two pair.

This is kind of why I asked what people thought an appropriate range was here.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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Sure, but a $292 bet is much different than a $150 bet.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

fold

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Why are you raising preflop ?

Edit: I probably fold river as it doesn´t seem like he would expect you to. Think you could have valuebet it too though.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Looks fine to me. Sometimes I check the turn; sometimes block river.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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Sure, but a $292 bet is much different than a $150 bet.

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do you have a magic read that says so??????? or can you just read souls? or can you just tell from op's tone that he lost?

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

You're right. Different bet sizes for different hands doesn't exist.

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You're right. Different bet sizes for different hands doesn't exist.

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for some players they do, but you have no idea about this villain

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

ikestoys,

you might be right, but pot bets on the river generally are VERY strong hands. esp from big winners on the site.

op,

does the site have a pot bet button?

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Fold. Call $150.

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for some players they do, but you have no idea about this villain

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Yes. So I made a read. That's usually how I do it.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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i only like your river check if you are planning to call, otherwise it is a bet/fold situation

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Sure, but a $292 bet is much different than a $150 bet.

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do you have a magic read that says so??????? or can you just read souls? or can you just tell from op's tone that he lost?

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lol wtf This post blows my mind.

OP: I prob call, but I can see finding a fold sometimes, if your gut tells you too.

I know nobody slowplays anymore, but I would fear a set here.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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ikestoys,

you might be right, but pot bets on the river generally are VERY strong hands. esp from big winners on the site.

op,

does the site have a pot bet button?

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Yes, it has a pot bet button, and I agree with your post.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Big Jim -- The only time this is a set from villain is if he misclicked every street. He has never slowplayed a hand against me, and there is usually a "just a little bit more" than minraise thrown in on some street.

Also for the whole "difference in bet sizes" debate. Uh. Yea, there's a difference, especially when villain shows no aggression on any other street, this bet is very strong.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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ikestoys,

you might be right, but pot bets on the river generally are VERY strong hands. esp from big winners on the site.

op,

does the site have a pot bet button?

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Yes, it has a pot bet button, and I agree with your post.

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You have to call this as played then.

I think you're good like 80% of the time here.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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He has never slowplayed a hand against me

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I really don't think you can fold, then.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Agreed.

Like I said earlier, I insta-called and he showed 47ss and MHIG.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

Nearly every draw missed or we have it beat. The obvious flush draw, A5,53. You'd expect if he hit the wheel or had a hand as wacky as 63 that he would raise the turn to get the money in quicker going to the river.

Pretty much the only hand I can put him on that we lose to is J9.

What I don't understand is why he would pot it with a hand like QJ/KJ/AJ that has showdown value.

His story just doesn't add up to me, I call here and don't feel bad if he shows me the winner. I think its the proper call against a guy who you said doesn't slowplay.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

These big river bets are ALWAYS awesome hands (usually backdoor) - He's expecting you to call and is trying to get MAX value. Fold and make a note.

Re: 400nl TPTK. I check call a lot here but a PSB?
 

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No stats on villain, but he is a big winner on this site at nearly every level. He seemed to be playing a bit loose passive within the last 100 hands or so. I believe he views me as loose/weak/tilty as I have dumped like 4 buyins so far.

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I'm very surprised this wasn't a "I was actually villain, how could he call my bluff?" thread.