Reasonable river laydown?
 

Absolute 25/50

LAGTAG opens in CO, LP coldcalls, 30.4/14.7/1.12 over 484 coolcalls in SB, I call ATo in BB.

Flop AT9 spades. SB checks, I bet, CO raises, LP folds, SB 3-bets! I call, CO folds!

Turn K offsuit. I call.

River K offsuit. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Fold?

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Good god no.

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you chop with at or a9 often enough i think.

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You're probably beat but you've underepresented (is this a word?) your hand with the flop donk/calldown, don't ya think? I mean if I didn't have stats on you I'd think you're just a donk w/ QJ/A3 or something.

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You're probably beat but you've underepresented (is this a word?) your hand with the flop donk/calldown, don't ya think? I mean if I didn't have stats on you I'd think you're just a donk w/ QJ/A3 or something.

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??? QJ is a straight and A3 is what I have.

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Yeah dumb examples obv; but still.

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You cant fold here. The flush draw missed and youll chop the pot often enough IMO. I would also like to point out that whether the Ace on the flop was the Ace of spades is important. If the flop was Ad Ts 9s, then the villain can have a hand like As2s and play just as aggressively. Also dont forget that you beat T9. Some people may bet the river with this hand cuz they dont know what else to do, kinda like a tilt bet.

Also, you missed a very profitable turn raise Scary.

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Ummm... three spades guys.

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Ummm... three spades guys.

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Ha! Oops. I kinda missed that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] So yeah, I would never raise the turn in that spot without a special read and god the river sux now. The worst part is, if this guy was messing around with the nut flush draw on the flop with a hand like KsQx or KsJx, he now has trips, and of course you also lose to QsJx. I think I would still call the river though, but its really close. If you folded there, I couldnt even knock it.

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you chop with at or a9 often enough i think.

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exactly

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Cap the flop in an attempt to drive out Cutoff.

He may be raising the flop with a hand like 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. There are many such hands in his preflop range and his plan would be to isolate you hoping that you have a better hand or a better spade but not both. That would give him a shot at a big pot even though he has no idea what his outs are.

Capping will make it almost impossible for him to hold such a hand and could score a huge victory by driving out the last spade and erasing as many as 11 outs.

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Cap the flop in an attempt to drive out Cutoff.

He may be raising the flop with a hand like 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. There are many such hands in his preflop range and his plan would be to isolate you hoping that you have a better hand or a better spade but not both. That would give him a shot at a big pot even though he has no idea what his outs are.

Capping will make it almost impossible for him to hold such a hand and could score a huge victory by driving out the last spade and erasing as many as 11 outs.

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Yes, you are correct.