3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

BB: 65,3/18,2/1,09/45,71/970 (VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

cap preflop?
fold flop?
call flop, raise turn?
calldown?
take a freecard on the turn and call any river?

OR

well played *g*

THX a lot

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

They have a forum for this.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

fold the flop and it's fine
capping pf is spew
putting any money in postflop is spew

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

Disclaimer: I truly suck at limit (and don't fare much better at NL)so feel free to shred or ignore any or all of my analysis.

It sure looks like you are way behind. There is a large range of holdings that beat you.

His pre-flop re-raise tells me that he's fairly strong, with PP (likely higher than yours)or ace suited with a high card. Capping there will not induce a fold. I'd rather see a cheap flop with low pocket pairs.

You didn't improve on the flop. His bet there could be a semi-bluff, but I would have folded right there. When he calls your raise, it tells me that he really likes his chances.

His check-raise on the turn is a clear indication that you are beat. You might river bottom set, but it sure looks like a loser if you do.

Well timed aggression is key to winning, but in this case I think you need to ait for a better spot.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

I will not bet the turn. Giving a freecard is not so bad here, and usually you are behind. He can have some hand like QJ Qk since he is soo loose aggressive. You have to fold to a raise, because you also have to pay a river bet.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

Wait for the turn to raise. Much more likely then villian will fold.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

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fold the flop and it's fine
capping pf is spew
putting any money in postflop is spew

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Whoa weaktight city. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

reminds me of the time i was in a pot with a lag who had pocket 4's against my A's. Capped, preflop, flop, turn and he hits a 4 on the river, to take down a huge kill pot.


Your entire line is screams ugliness.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

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Wait for the turn to raise. Much more likely then villian will fold.

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That would be the plan but I would c/f to the ace hitting.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

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fold the flop and it's fine
capping pf is spew
putting any money in postflop is spew


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Whoa weaktight city.



i don't think so, i think rio against a lag here is horrible. maybe against a tag who will fold his ui overs on the turn. if we're going to do this against a lag i think call, call, call is best if he will 3barrel when behind. there's no way to know if we're ahead or behind so raising any postflop doesn't seem right.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

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fold the flop and it's fine
capping pf is spew
putting any money in postflop is spew


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Whoa weaktight city.



i don't think so, i think rio against a lag here is horrible. maybe against a tag who will fold his ui overs on the turn. if we're going to do this against a lag i think call, call, call is best if he will 3barrel when behind. there's no way to know if we're ahead or behind so raising any postflop doesn't seem right.

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If villian won't fold over then the raise because a value raise.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

Very similar hand on pg. 229 in Stoxtrader's WITHG.

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

dude bbs range is not tight enough to fold the flop its probably something like KQo KJs ATo+ 88+ atleast, if u pokerstove that u cant fold the flop, i usually raise a board pairing turn to make him make a mistake in folding with 12 outs with UI overs, otherwise i just call, call and vb a blank river if he checks vs AK AQ AJ hi. id fold this turn.

whats stox say rick?

Re: 3/6 SH problem with pocket 33
 

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whats stox say rick?


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Stox is OTB with 33 and opens. SB 3-bets and BB folds. Similar flop but FD possible and safe turn card.

Stox says cap sometimes pf if Villain is not SD bound. Calling is fine. He would have folded flop if ace fell. You could raise flop but raising any non-ace turn for free SD is probably better. The pot is worth protecting because of its size, you might get 6 outer or better hand to fold. All worth the risk of getting 3-bet and having to fold there or having to fold to a river donk.

He also says that the turn raise is marginal with the possible FD but without a FD the turn raise is most likely best.

I have no idea what he would do on this turn with the ace hitting because the pot is now large, probably call down. If the flop wasn't raised I suspect the turn would be a c/f. I gather this from watching his videos where he usually has no problem folding a RIO hand like this when an ace falls in a small pot against someone who 3-bet pf.