SICK HU Between Rugby and Farha!
 

Yea, sry I don't play HSNL, but I figured this would get the funniest and most interesting replies in this forum. Anyway, Brian Townsend and Farha are playing HU PLO at the bellagio now- 500/1000 for now, and soon it will prob become a 1k/2k NLHE/PLO mixed game... holy crap. Read it on his CR blog @ http://www.cardrunners.com/fusetalk/...cfm?forumid=31

ABA IS SUCH A SICKO

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wow, imagine losing a 500k pot and watching sammy farha pull all the chips his way. Still pretty sweet game. i would love to watch this.

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Sam Farha is very good at PLO?

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Sam Farha is very good at PLO?

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its a well known fact that he is regarded as a very good plo player so much that many players wont play him in it unless its in a mixed game format

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I think it's actually that he's so bad at other games that they are willing to make the game PLO for him in order to get him to play in the other games. But whatever.

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I would pay a lot to be able to sweat this. Someone needs to sneak a camera in there.

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when does the 1 house 2 house game start?

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I'm going to say in cash games, as seen on HSP, Farha is the biggest [censored] NLHE fish. He probably is only somewhat decent at PLO becuz he's a lucksack and will stick all his money in, no matter how much, with any two pair or any combo draw IMO. He probably doesn't even have very good PLO competition, so thats y he's considered good. I'd say if Aba runs decent, he should end at least +$1m in one nite, and if he runs good, it could be $3m+. He just understands the game so much better than Farha who is a retarded fish. This started btw probably from the bad blood between Farha and Townsend, because for some reason Farha thinks Townsend is bad? Farha sticks in like 150BB on a medium flush draw on a paired board regularly lol.

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god Brian is so lucky seriosuly Sammy Farha = plo pro as Anny Duke = best tourney player in the world, sseriously Brain's edge is here 9999999999999$$$$$$M.

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god Brian is so lucky seriosuly Sammy Farha = plo pro as Anny Duke = best tourney player in the world, sseriously Brain's edge is here 9999999999999$$$$$$M.

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kinda like your edge vs. anyone?

happy birfday

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How does the dynamic of those games work? Would they say 'hu plz' if you just took a seat, cts?

Also, I must have been misinformed about Farha. I thought I read an article somewhere that said he got his money from poker, not business. How can he be a 'retarded fish' then? If he is a fish at PLO, why does he want to play it so bad vs. other games (Greenstein remark)? You'd think that someone that's a losing player anyway wouldn't care. Right?

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The guys who play with him say Farha is a great PLO player. I seriously doubt they are just saying that for the sake of saying it. Also what people need to remember that Farha probably rarely plays NLHE. It's entirely possible he made his money playing poker, but did it at limit which is what the big game mostly is.

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cts maybe you are the one that knows why the "fight" began last year and how it started this year!!!Who asked for the match? Can you give us these informations?

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Did Sammy get his money from player poker or is he a big time businessman who happens to play poker?

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cts maybe you are the one that knows why the "fight" began last year and how it started this year!!!Who asked for the match? Can you give us these informations?

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If you watched HSP w/aba its pretty obvious. There's a scene in there somewhere in which Farha tells Brian something to the effect of "you stare people down too much, its just poker, chill out." The comment oozed confrontation to me. Also, I'm not quite sure but I think that there was some "any time you're in Vegas, kid," HU talk. I'm sure once this all boils over, win or lose, aba will entertain some questions.

Also, NVG is a joke.

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if they bump it up to 1k-2k and are playing as aggressively as Rugby's blog reports, this game would be far bigger than the 4k-8k limit games.

Farha had a 1.3m swing at 500-1000. Wow. Seems like the kind of game where one of these guys could go entirely cash busto.

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I heard Brandon Adams won like 700k$ off Sammy playing HU where Sammy was BB every hand.

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The guys who play with him say Farha is a great PLO player. I seriously doubt they are just saying that for the sake of saying it.

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There can be only two reasons.

1) To be honest
2) "For the sake of saying it"

This is the complete truth. I always love it when I can chime in and say "lollz false dichotomy".

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god Brian is so lucky seriosuly Sammy Farha = plo pro as Anny Duke = best tourney player in the world, sseriously Brain's edge is here 9999999999999$$$$$$M.

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Sammy is easily the most dangerous high stakes short handed PLO player in the world, and it's not even close. I have played with Sammy a lot and don't get me wrong, I like his action and enjoy playing with him but he is definitely not to be underestimated. Sammy is as familiar with high stakes PLO as anybody and as the stakes get higher, the stacks get deeper, and the field gets shorter, his edge grows. While I doubt Sammy could beat a 5/10 PLO ring game, he is extremely tough 2-4 handed for very high stakes, as he has no fear and endless money. Sammy will really put you to the test. Any pot you play with him can be all in and if you're not willing to stack off lightly he will just bulldozer you. In this matchup I think Sammy has a significant edge in PLO and obviously Brian has a significant edge in NLH. Brian should really try to get him to play straight NLH where he can be in control of things. will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

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Alaei,
Do you have much experience with Benyamine's shorthanded PLO game? How would they compare? I think most of the reasons you give for fearing sammy (any pot you play with him can be all in and if you're not willing to stack off lightly he will just bulldozer you) seem to be applicable to how Benyamine plays.

Knowing that Brian has played a significantly higher number of HU PLO hands than Sammy vs someone with a similar style (who many consider better) do you really think sammy's edge can be that great here? Especially with the nature of HU plo?

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Do you have much experience with Benyamine's shorthanded PLO game? How would they compare? I think most of the reasons you give for fearing sammy (any pot you play with him can be all in and if you're not willing to stack off lightly he will just bulldozer you) seem to be applicable to how Benyamine plays.

Knowing that Brian has played a significantly higher number of HU PLO hands than Sammy vs someone with a similar style (who many consider better) do you really think sammy's edge can be that great here? Especially with the nature of HU plo?

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I haven't played live PLO with Benyamine. I'll take Sammy's live PLO short handed experience over Brian's online short handed experience for this match anyday. It's a little different playing 3 tables of $40k stacks online and one table with $500k real money in front of you. Brian is playing on Sammy's turf. My understanding is Brian has played very little high stakes live, especially PLO. Like I said before, I think Brian should try to get the game to be straight NLH because being very aggressive and in control of every hand doesn't work as well in NL as it does in PLO, and that's exactly what Sammy will try to do. I think Sammy would rather play PLO but will give if Brian doesn't give first. Sammy is an action freak and no one else is willing to play this high with him.

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"Sammy is an action freak and no one else is willing to play this high with him. "

thats an interesting point. i wonder how much negotiating brian has done. getting it to be nlhe only would be massively +ev for him.

" It's a little different playing 3 tables of $40k stacks online and one table with $500k real money in front of you."

its not 500k in cash but sb has def been 250k deep at 300-600 HU with benyamine and/or antonius. he has the deepstacked experience for sure. on the other hand, how deep (both bb and money wise) has sammy really gotten before?

i just cant get over the fact that brian has tens of thousands more hands of experience in similar settings (>200bb hu plo and nlhe) vs players who are both technically sound and completely fearless/bordering on reckless.

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Surely live reads must play a big part?

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what reads do you think sammy is going to pick up in omahahahaha?

"So you like your hand, eh?"
"I pot"
"I like my hand too, I pot."
"I pot."
"Pot."
"Pot."
"You shouldn't twitch like that Mr. Townsend. I can read your soul. You have a wrap. Let's flip a coin for 500k."

seriously.

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what reads do you think sammy is going to pick up in omahahahaha?

"So you like your hand, eh?"
"I pot"
"I like my hand too, I pot."
"I pot."
"Pot."
"Pot."
"You shouldn't twitch like that Mr. Townsend. I can read your soul. You have a wrap. Let's flip a coin for 500k."

seriously.

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lol this is surely a joke right?

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all online players will tell you that live reads are insignicant

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"all online players will tell you that live reads are insignicant "

its HU plo. pls explain what magic tells sammy could pick up that hand reading isnt.

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all online players will tell you that live reads are insignicant

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But at the same time they all understand the importance of click tells and timing tells online.

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"all online players will tell you that live reads are insignicant "

its HU plo. pls explain what magic tells sammy could pick up that hand reading isnt.

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Just things like how much Brian likes his hand in certain spots. Is he trying to checkraise, is he nervous, does he looks super confident etc.

They might not swing the result but they do favour Sammy.

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It's not a certain physical tell that will give Sammy an edge. Most high stakes pro's dont put too much weight in physical tells because it's so easy to manipulate them and you just get yourself caught up in a he knows that i know that he knows problems. It's more about just being comfortable playing live with another person, with that much money in front of you. It's about not letting your heart race a million beats a minute when you bluff off 200k. Online there is no social pressure, people feel so confident, aggressive and strong behind the computer and can play great. If you don't have experience doing this live, it's a lot tougher. I can think of several great very aggressive online players I have played live with that really just sat there and played tight. Sammy has been in this spot many times before and is practically ammune to making big bluffs or having a lot of money at stake. This is where Sammy's edge comes in.

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It's not a certain physical tell that will give Sammy an edge. Most high stakes pro's dont put too much weight in physical tells because it's so easy to manipulate them and you just get yourself caught up in a he knows that i know that he knows problems. It's more about just being comfortable playing live with another person, with that much money in front of you. It's about not letting your heart race a million beats a minute when you bluff off 200k. Online there is no social pressure, people feel so confident, aggressive and strong behind the computer and can play great. If you don't have experience doing this live, it's a lot tougher. I can think of several great very aggressive online players I have played live with that really just sat there and played tight. Sammy has been in this spot many times before and is practically ammune to making big bluffs or having a lot of money at stake. This is where Sammy's edge comes in.

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While you might be right, I get the impression from HSP3 that Brian is plenty comfortable making large bluffs or thin value bets in a live setting.

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Yeah, as long as he remembers to keep his hand over his mouth.

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Awesome posts Daniel

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Awesome posts Daniel

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Please keep posting.

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Awesome posts Daniel

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Agreed. Also I hear there's a great PLO/NLH game with one PLO fish and one NLH fish. Seats open!

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cts maybe you are the one that knows why the "fight" began last year and how it started this year!!!Who asked for the match? Can you give us these informations?

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approximate story(trying to remember what Brian said):

The comments we saw on HSP were a result of them playing together last year live during the WSOP. They played a 200/400 game together and Sammy showed Brian no respect(because he is just an internet donk, right?). this was like Brian's first time playing this high(live for sure, but maybe overall too).

obviously while not a TV pro(these are the only real pros of course, LDO), Brian felt he deserved a lot more respect than he got from Sammy.

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It's not a certain physical tell that will give Sammy an edge. Most high stakes pro's dont put too much weight in physical tells because it's so easy to manipulate them and you just get yourself caught up in a he knows that i know that he knows problems. It's more about just being comfortable playing live with another person, with that much money in front of you. It's about not letting your heart race a million beats a minute when you bluff off 200k. Online there is no social pressure, people feel so confident, aggressive and strong behind the computer and can play great. If you don't have experience doing this live, it's a lot tougher. I can think of several great very aggressive online players I have played live with that really just sat there and played tight. Sammy has been in this spot many times before and is practically ammune to making big bluffs or having a lot of money at stake. This is where Sammy's edge comes in.

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QFT. NH, Danny.