High Rollers banned from WSOP?
 

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if thats true thats absolutely ridiculous

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It's definitely true (Brodie wouldn't make it up), and beyond ridiculous--offensive.

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damn, looks like ill be banned then

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thats unreal. total bs

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I first gambled in Las Vegas in 1974. My parents started going there in 1953. I haven't been back since 1990. This is one reason why. The mob ran Las Vegas much better than the corporations.
Brodie should call and seek permission to play in the WSOP only.

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wow

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That makes little sense. I guess if the cost of comps was more than their potential profit, but they control all the factors.

Hopefully this will become a big deal, but I doubt it.

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quiet lion should protest.................naked

with his mrs. and her sisters. hot hot hot

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sucks

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wtf

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That makes little sense. I guess if the cost of comps was more than their potential profit, but they control all the factors.

Hopefully this will become a big deal, but I doubt it.

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yeah, all they have to do is remove all the expensive comps. poker players don't generate a lot of revenue and video poker is almost break even the way he plays it. they just need to adjust for that.

instead they pull an assbrained move like this that's going to spread like wildfire among the poker players. not that the poker players are that important but still

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Ludicrous

Did they hire clowns to run the place?

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Absurd. Even though I don't think this will get that much attention if it did I'd love to see their explanation to the public as to why he's not allowed to play in the WSOP. This is borderline retarded.

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sigh harrahs = the devil

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There has to be more to this story. I never heard of a casino barring a sucker. I never heard of a sucker winning at video poker. I do believe he should be able to make a successful appeal to Harrah's management to play tournament poker. The casinos make a lot of money off everything. Perhaps it is good to be in denial about the rake.

When I say sucker, I mean in the casino's eyes. To them, we are all suckers.

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Brodie = Not Sucker

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i am just happy to know he has more money to dump on ftp now!

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Wow, this is sickening... What are they thinking at harrahs?

I have never been to Vegas, but if I ever do, I am sure to stay away from that place.

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wow wtf? thats really uncalled for and bad management.

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Nice, more 30/60 FTP donations.

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So he put $210k into these machines, and got $600k back? (2x240k, 2x60k). Wow, I didn't really realise you could put so much money into these things.

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Ignorant greedheads don't even know how to maximize their own insatiable greediness. These swine should be [censored], broken, and driven into the desert.

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Is this only related to video poker, or don't they want Phil Ivey's craps action now?

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Wow, this is sickening... What are they thinking at harrahs?

I have never been to Vegas, but if I ever do, I am sure to stay away from that place.

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Stay away from which place?

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Ignorant greedheads don't even know how to maximize their own insatiable greediness. These swine should be [censored], broken, and driven into the desert.

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harrahs you [censored] swine!!!

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this is absolutely absurd... so they will ban every body that wins... what is the point of gambling then.. i would love to see an out right boycout of harrahs and the world series.. the way they have conducted them selves with regards to the internet gaming act and now this is retarded... i would love to see them have to close shop but i know that wont happen.. there is to many sheeple in this country..

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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So he put $210k into these machines, and got $600k back? (2x240k, 2x60k). Wow, I didn't really realise you could put so much money into these things.

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He was playing $300/hand, so 700 hands. From what I remember, VP experts can clear 600 hands/hour. Even if hes doing 200/hour, its only 3.5 hours of play.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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from what i read, it looks like he just ran hot short term. i don't see it being any different than someone having a big score on the blackjack or craps table.

they can't possibly start banning everyone who runs good.

i really wish this got more coverage on a national level. if high-rollers found out that this might be the result of them winning, they would take their business elsewhere.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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from what i read, it looks like he just ran hot short term. i don't see it being any different than someone having a big score on the blackjack or craps table.

they can't possibly start banning everyone who runs good.

i really wish this got more coverage on a national level. if high-rollers found out that this might be the result of them winning, they would take their business elsewhere.

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Lol, and it so stupid of the casino. Its not like Harrah's doesn't have the bankroll to withstand the variance of playing a +EV game against the high rollers. Someone high up in their accounting department is a [censored] idiot.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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from what i read, it looks like he just ran hot short term. i don't see it being any different than someone having a big score on the blackjack or craps table.

they can't possibly start banning everyone who runs good.

i really wish this got more coverage on a national level. if high-rollers found out that this might be the result of them winning, they would take their business elsewhere.

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Lol, and it so stupid of the casino. Its not like Harrah's doesn't have the bankroll to withstand the variance of playing a +EV game against the high rollers. Someone high up in their accounting department is a [censored] idiot.

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I guess that this is kinda my point. Harrahs position is so backwards that there must be something that Brodie is leaving out.

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Harrahs position is so backwards that there must be something that Brodie is leaving out.

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i don't think so. there's no way to cheat this unless he's in cahoots with someone at the manufacturing plant or someone who programs the machine.

sounds more like harrahs drops a drag net and in the process they snag a bunch of innocent people.

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wow wtf? thats really uncalled for and bad management.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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from what i read, it looks like he just ran hot short term. i don't see it being any different than someone having a big score on the blackjack or craps table.

they can't possibly start banning everyone who runs good.

i really wish this got more coverage on a national level. if high-rollers found out that this might be the result of them winning, they would take their business elsewhere.

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Lol, and it so stupid of the casino. Its not like Harrah's doesn't have the bankroll to withstand the variance of playing a +EV game against the high rollers. Someone high up in their accounting department is a [censored] idiot.

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It makes sense to investigate after a big win though. The game could be -EV for the casino if the high stakes player is cheating.

I obviously dont think brodie is cheating at all. JUst speaking from the casinos standpoint.

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From what I understood it was possible to beat video poker under the right circumstances. If there was a large progressive that had yet to go off etc. Situations like these could produce positve expectation. This is what I rember having heard. I could be wrong about all of this but wouldnt a situation like this make sense in this case. In so far as Brodie has won a number of large jackpots this year etc.

Harrahs may view Brodie as an advantage player and are using him as an example, knowing that he is a Full Tilt pro etc. Thus making his life as difficult as they can as a message to others.

Obviously this could very well be wrong.

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I don't think the machines he was playing had any kind of progressive jackpot, the payouts he gave were flat payouts.

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from what i read, it looks like he just ran hot short term. i don't see it being any different than someone having a big score on the blackjack or craps table.

they can't possibly start banning everyone who runs good.

i really wish this got more coverage on a national level. if high-rollers found out that this might be the result of them winning, they would take their business elsewhere.

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Lol, and it so stupid of the casino. Its not like Harrah's doesn't have the bankroll to withstand the variance of playing a +EV game against the high rollers. Someone high up in their accounting department is a [censored] idiot.

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It makes sense to investigate after a big win though. The game could be -EV for the casino if the high stakes player is cheating.

I obviously dont think brodie is cheating at all. JUst speaking from the casinos standpoint.

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So Harrah's strategy in this case goes like:

1. Investigate machine, find out it wasn't cheated but was just a losing machine based on their already retarded inability to program +EV machines.
2. Ban high-profile, high-consumption genius of life for beating the at their own game
3. ?!?!??!?!?WTFTFTFTTFFTF!??!?!?!?!
4. PROFIT!

I want to know how Allen Kessler feels about all this.

It's both bewildering and sickening how Harrahs decided to "handle" this, how it reflects Harrah's totally ignorant and nonsensical customer service (the way they treat all of us), and how, despite all that, nothing will change and I'll remain a Harrah's customer until they ban me, because they own the WSOP action.

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Wow, this is insane.

Don't get me started how you have to talk to an answering machine to register for the WSOP.