5cd open
 

Basicly, what opening recs do you have at a 6-handed 5 card draw table?

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(Assuming unopened pot)
UTG: AA and up
Next seat: KK and up
and so on...

Same range to non-tricky players who limp, but add a SB for each limper; concider betting the pot for your lesser hands.

In a raised pot the gap principle applies: you need a better hand to call then to open. I fold all pairs, most 2 pairs, bottom trips. Top trips get reraised.

For the blinds, SB can raise any pair against just the BB, but tighten up if he suspects this.

For pat hands… well, hard to misplay the nuts, right?

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On and check out Michael Wiesenberg on CardPlayer dot com

http://www.cardplayer.com/author/article/all/14/6406

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You fold bottom trips to a raise? IMO it is ok to fold 222 for example to a raise+re-raise+call but certainly not against a single raise.

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You fold bottom trips to a raise?

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Yep, unless I have position I’ll not calling a raise with low trips. If I do call I’m not looking to push it far.

OOP the decisions get too hard (unless he discards 3) and it’s not a common occurrence anyway.

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I fold all pairs, most 2 pairs, bottom trips. Top trips get reraised.

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This is way too tight in pot limit, I would imagine it's even worse in limit.

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"Conservatively", for legitimate hands in fixed limit draw,
the minimum OPEN RAISING hands are:

utg) KKA+
hijack) QQK+
cutoff) JJQ+
button) 99T+
sb) 667+

It turns out you can open lighter in most situations (but
not by much) but I won't go into details. I like the above
schedule because it is easy to remember for anybody new to
the game and these hands aren't really quite the minimum, so
anyone using the schedule won't get into too much trouble!

You can also use these for PL draw if you open for the
minimum, but you would have to tighten up a bit if you open
close to the maximum.

If somebody else has opened, you have to consider the "gap
principle". I'll let others elaborate.

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That is 5 handed in case you didn't catch it.

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Ok, this might be a naive question, but why do the kickers matter ? If I entered the pot with the hands that BigPooch lists then I would be drawing three. Is this an incorrect play ? Or, is the kicker only important because it reduces the chances of a later player having a higher pair ?

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You almost always draw three except for a few well known
cases (e.g., you are likely up against AA and you have AA
with a high kicker).

The main reason is that it reduces the chances of an
opponent holding a higher pair. Also, on the button, you
prefer to have better than 99T since many players won't lay
down a pair of jacks from the small blind, so you probably
want 99J or better. In the small blind, the kicker really
doesn't matter much at all; i.e., any pair of sixes will do.

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Thanks....what I thought...but wanted to be sure.

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Re kickers: that's why in the Wiesenberg articles, that he says on the button when stealing with a smaller pair, that it's better to either have two kickers higher than your pair, or an Ace. So if you have TTKQx, then you're helping eliminate KK and QQ as possible pairs that the blind will defend with.. and of course, the Ace to lessen AA (as a more savvy player may reraise you with AA; which then sucks cause most the time u end up having to call--at least in limit--due to pot size).

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*listens intently*

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I think in many 10,000 hands of 5CD (mostly PL) I've lost maybe 3 hands to same pair/lesser kicker. Kickers are just not as importaint as having the higher pair.

(Or... what Dom said)