$16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

I'm pretty sure this is standard, considering the SB is the most likely hand to have hit this board and he checked.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2310)
UTG+1 (t1675)
MP1 (t635)
MP2 (t2445)
CO (t1915)
Button (t1230)
SB (t2270)
Hero (t1020)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t200, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t200, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t820 (All-in)</font>

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

I dont mind it at all.

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I like it

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Good...

puke when SB calls with 73.

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Or Q9s(clubs) [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

Look, Kevin, you aren't out of this SnG, yet with 1000 left and the blinds at 100/200. Heck, you aren't even short stack. And what's more than that, you shoved all your chips in AGAIN without definitely having anything at all. You can't bet here, because doing so will pot commit you. But there are more cards to see. You can use your chips more wisely other places. You aren't in the money, yet, so you have to remain playing tightly when you're short-stacked at a table and you haven't gone all-in preflop. A straight draw doesn't win you any more hands than a flush draw when the other player has just flopped a pair. Wait for the nuts and then, my friend, make your move. Take care.

Cameron

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

It doesn't really matter that we don't have a made hand, the point here is that the only likely player to have hit this board is the sb who already has checked, and taking down this pot is a substantial increase to our chipstack. The OESD only helps for the times that someone does in fact have a hand (some pair or a possible big hand from SB) and calls the shove.

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

I completely disagree with Cameron and think this is an instashove.

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

::shrugs:: It's a risky move, and it may be late enough in the game to take that risk, but I would still check. I know what you're saying about the SB, but maybe check your notes on what he does after the flop with a pair. If he raises usually and has just now checked, yeah go all in. If he is an habitual slow-player...maybe not. I'm only at the $33 SnG level now, so I don't know all there is to know. This is only what I know from experience. Take care.

Cameron

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

This is 16$ turbo cameron. You can't really wait to hit the 'nuts' and get payed of. This is an insta push imo. Add that 800 to your stack. If someone calls with like A7 you are still not that far behind.

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I completely disagree with Cameron and think this is an instashove.

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shove this and dont think twice.

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

you have only 5BBs, and I doubt you'll have a much better chance than this to put your money in. easy shove

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

OBV cameron is a gimmick.

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

im shoving this every time. with only 5bb`s left , this give u a chance to virtually double up with a fold around. also if some1 does call then you stil have outs, instashuv !

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

I like it.
cameron, those are turbos, you gotta get chips if you wanna make dem $$$$$$$$$$$.

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at least cameron explains his thought process instead of just saying "poooooooooooosh!". i can't wait to hear his next little gem of wisdom. also this is a push.

Re: $16s - 100/200, Shove OESD with the short stack?
 

I like it, but I like it a millions times more if the flop is rainbow.

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Look, Kevin, you aren't out of this SnG, yet with 1000 left and the blinds at 100/200. Heck, you aren't even short stack. And what's more than that, you shoved all your chips in AGAIN without definitely having anything at all. You can't bet here, because doing so will pot commit you. But there are more cards to see. You can use your chips more wisely other places. You aren't in the money, yet, so you have to remain playing tightly when you're short-stacked at a table and you haven't gone all-in preflop. A straight draw doesn't win you any more hands than a flush draw when the other player has just flopped a pair. Wait for the nuts and then, my friend, make your move. Take care.

Cameron

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lol

you is the dumb.

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::shrugs:: It's a risky move, and it may be late enough in the game to take that risk, but I would still check. I know what you're saying about the SB, but maybe check your notes on what he does after the flop with a pair. If he raises usually and has just now checked, yeah go all in. If he is an habitual slow-player...maybe not. I'm only at the $33 SnG level now, so I don't know all there is to know. This is only what I know from experience. Take care.

Cameron

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you're definately a losing player if you dont shove this.

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Heck, you aren't even short stack.

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True, but this is not the bubble either. Push, you have to pick up chips with so many players still hanging around if you want to end ITM.

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Heck, you aren't even short stack.

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True, but this is not the bubble either. Push, you have to pick up chips with so many players still hanging around if you want to end ITM.

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How is 4xbb not = short-stack.

god =/

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Heck, you aren't even short stack.

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True, but this is not the bubble either. Push, you have to pick up chips with so many players still hanging around if you want to end ITM.

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How is 4xbb not = short-stack.

god =/

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I think he meant Hero is not THE SHORTEST stack.

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Heck, you aren't even short stack.

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True, but this is not the bubble either. Push, you have to pick up chips with so many players still hanging around if you want to end ITM.

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How is 4xbb not = short-stack.

god =/

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I think he meant Hero is not THE SHORTEST stack.

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That doesnt even matter.

There are 8 people left. Not 4. You could make a case for c/f this if the shortest stack had 2bb.

You have 4bb left if you c/f this with 8 ppl left. You're not anywhere close to the money. You have a good chance of picking up this pot right here and doubling your chip stack. And even if you're called you usually have a good 30-40% chance of tripling your stack.

F'ing nits.

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F'ing nits.

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I think everyone - including me - agrees with the push here except for one poster.

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Heck, you aren't even short stack.

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True, but this is not the bubble either. Push, you have to pick up chips with so many players still hanging around if you want to end ITM.

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Busting early is often more correct then busting at the bubble since you want to be the player stealing blinds at the bubble.

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Look, Kevin, you aren't out of this SnG, yet with 1000 left and the blinds at 100/200. Heck, you aren't even short stack. And what's more than that, you shoved all your chips in AGAIN without definitely having anything at all. You can't bet here, because doing so will pot commit you. But there are more cards to see. You can use your chips more wisely other places. You aren't in the money, yet, so you have to remain playing tightly when you're short-stacked at a table and you haven't gone all-in preflop. A straight draw doesn't win you any more hands than a flush draw when the other player has just flopped a pair. Wait for the nuts and then, my friend, make your move. Take care.

Cameron

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i cant tell if you are serious or not, but this is terrible advice.

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Look, Kevin, you aren't out of this SnG, yet with 1000 left and the blinds at 100/200. Heck, you aren't even short stack. And what's more than that, you shoved all your chips in AGAIN without definitely having anything at all. You can't bet here, because doing so will pot commit you. But there are more cards to see. You can use your chips more wisely other places. You aren't in the money, yet, so you have to remain playing tightly when you're short-stacked at a table and you haven't gone all-in preflop. A straight draw doesn't win you any more hands than a flush draw when the other player has just flopped a pair. Wait for the nuts and then, my friend, make your move. Take care.

Cameron

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i cant tell if you are serious or not, but this is terrible advice.

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This post cracks me up.