Reviewing HHs after your matches
 

So I was unable to sleep last night and stayed up through the night reviewing HHs from sessions where I thought I had run bad due to variance. After combing through like 100 matches I realized that I had in truth been spewing. This exercise was like a revelation to me. I hadn't spent a lot of time in my poker career doing this but wow, just wow it is really exhilirating to see how you play after a losing session. Its usually not just bad beats and stuff, but rather, your spewing and playing bad.

I'm curious, do the pros here spend a lot of time reviewing their own HHs after sessions? I cannot personally think of a better way to improve.

Indy

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by the way, i find that is important to create a file with all the hands that you don't understand what went wrong from all of your HHs. Naturally, posting whole HHS out here or whatever isnt productive, but putting together a file for your coach to review or to post is useful for me. Any other tips/tricks for self-review would be good to know.

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What do you use to review HH? I downloaded the trial of SNG Wizard and I am using that currently.

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indi,

some may disagree with this, but i think the lower on the learning curve you are relative to your opponents and whatnot, the greater the % of your total poker time should be spent studying. and yes, studying includes looking over your own hands.

once you're good, and have played a lot, and studied a lot, chances are that you know when you close your eyes at the end of the session (or earlier) when you [censored] up. most pros still go over hand histories, as far as i know, to see not only if they made any obvious mistakes, but if they can find spots where they missed anything not so huge.

i'm pretty sure that newt, for one, was a meticulous reviewer of his games, and continues to do so even now that i don't think he plays stts any more.

anyway, i could probably write a chapter of a book (lol) about reviewing your own play. but i have a final exam to tend to, so maybe later.

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What do you use to review HH? I downloaded the trial of SNG Wizard and I am using that currently.

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i know this will sound horrible, but i read every line manually with no software....

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indi,

some may disagree with this, but i think the lower on the learning curve you are relative to your opponents and whatnot, the greater the % of your total poker time should be spent studying. and yes, studying includes looking over your own hands.

once you're good, and have played a lot, and studied a lot, chances are that you know when you close your eyes at the end of the session (or earlier) when you [censored] up. most pros still go over hand histories, as far as i know, to see not only if they made any obvious mistakes, but if they can find spots where they missed anything not so huge.

i'm pretty sure that newt, for one, was a meticulous reviewer of his games, and continues to do so even now that i don't think he plays stts any more.

anyway, i could probably write a chapter of a book (lol) about reviewing your own play. but i have a final exam to tend to, so maybe later.

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citanul,

i would love to hear more. i am old school and just read line by line and pay people to answer the questions that i dont understand and/or just ship them HHs and talk about them over the phone for pay. am i inefficient?

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You should try SnGWiz. I never bothered with it until early this week when I found out it had a 30 day trial. Once you watch the demo video on the website to figure out the UI it's very fast to review an entire folder of tournies.

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cit,

Please write said chapter and forward to me for editing.

kthx

Yugoslav

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I use popopop player after every session.

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I was going to make a thread asking this also.

I would really like to here some more in depth step-by-step instructions on some effective ways to analyse my games.

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Pokertracker is fine too... You can replay the whole tourney hand by hand... Also as we get down to 3 handed or HU play I just put it on autoplay to speed it up - works really well for me...

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thing with me is that i'm a little old school and don't utilize all of these tools for my game. its amazing that i've been as profitable as I have been w/ so many leaks in my game and being so ignorant about the tools (i do have SNGPT, however).

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Does anyone keep notes here from the ongame network? I want to keep records of questionable hands but stupidly the instant hand history records as if I was an observer, not keeping a record of my starting hands.. is thre any way round this?

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I just downloaded the popopopop replayer and it's great! I'm trying to get the hang of it though. Great way to review your game.

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I used to review my hands in notepad. It took forever.

As other's have mentioned, SNGW is a great tool for reviewing tourneys. Not only does it immediately identify where you pushed, or did not push correctly. You can quickly scan your stack size for every hand played and when you see a big change in the stack you can open the details to see the ICM piece, but even more you can open the notepad to review the hand transcript.

Since I don't make a ton of mistakes anymore [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I can get through one HH in about 3-5 minutes. Last night I played about 15 games (4 tabling) from 8-11 and I reviewed all 15 from about 11-12.

I always try and review my games everyday either after a set, but usually after I am done playing. Doing this helps control tilt (when you shove correctly and lose) and it also quickly identifies and corrects leaks before they ruin you (mentally and financially).

Last night I received a lot of beats, but upon reviewing my games, I found that I had also tightened up when I should have been shoving some weaker hands. I also missed and made a few bad calls. I suspect this was due a little to tilting from losing so many hands I was ahead earlier in my session.

Hopefully I run goot tonight [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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I just downloaded the popopopop replayer and it's great! I'm trying to get the hang of it though. Great way to review your game.

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I used to review my hands in notepad. It took forever.

As other's have mentioned, SNGW is a great tool for reviewing tourneys. Not only does it immediately identify where you pushed, or did not push correctly. You can quickly scan your stack size for every hand played and when you see a big change in the stack you can open the details to see the ICM piece, but even more you can open the notepad to review the hand transcript.

Since I don't make a ton of mistakes anymore [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I can get through one HH in about 3-5 minutes. Last night I played about 15 games (4 tabling) from 8-11 and I reviewed all 15 from about 11-12.

I always try and review my games everyday either after a set, but usually after I am done playing. Doing this helps control tilt (when you shove correctly and lose) and it also quickly identifies and corrects leaks before they ruin you (mentally and financially).

Last night I received a lot of beats, but upon reviewing my games, I found that I had also tightened up when I should have been shoving some weaker hands. I also missed and made a few bad calls. I suspect this was due a little to tilting from losing so many hands I was ahead earlier in my session.

Hopefully I run goot tonight [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Dr. J......I haven't downloaded sngwiz yet (I use sngpt), but how does sngwiz tell you if you pushed correctly or not.....wouldn't that depend on your opponents calling ranges? And since their calling ranges are going to change every hand, how can you get through an entire HH in 3-5 minutes?

Thanks

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I just downloaded the popopopop replayer and it's great!

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I used to review almost every HH when I was a pro. Now I just spot-check them. I think it's possible to get in a funk where you are making the same mistakes but can't spot them. So it's always good to have someone else look some over every now and then when you're running bad. Or when you're running really good, as you've probably strayed from optimal knowing your J9s cannot lose to A-rag - but no one ever does that.

Also if you take a long break from SNGs - try just playing before you review any old games. You might come up with some different approaches to problems, that you wouldn't have thought of before.

I used to use a replayer, which I think is great when you're getting started. But then when I got down to maybe one interesting decision per sng, I found it easier to just fly through them with a text editor.

I use Ultra-Edit and search on "Dealt to suzzer99[". In this way I just keep hitting F3 to fly through all the early hands where the decision was trivial - stopping at hands I might actually play in the early rounds. I also watch my stack to make sure it doesn't move much in either direction. I also move my HHs into a separate folder so that SNGWiz or SNGPT can go through them easily w/o choking on all the HHs in the actual HH directory.

One thing I tried, but never quite got in the habit of, was typing some key in chat everytime I had a tough hand--like "qqq"--that I could go back and search for easily. Might be a good system if I could ever remember to do it.

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Dr. J......I haven't downloaded sngwiz yet (I use sngpt), but how does sngwiz tell you if you pushed correctly or not.....wouldn't that depend on your opponents calling ranges? And since their calling ranges are going to change every hand, how can you get through an entire HH in 3-5 minutes?

Thanks

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It's just like SnGPT except the interface is 1000x better. As for your question, there's a little Charts icon. Click that when looking at a hand and it gives you a line graph that shows what hands you can push as villians call range gets larger or smaller.

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I used to review my hands in notepad. It took forever.

As other's have mentioned, SNGW is a great tool for reviewing tourneys. Not only does it immediately identify where you pushed, or did not push correctly. You can quickly scan your stack size for every hand played and when you see a big change in the stack you can open the details to see the ICM piece, but even more you can open the notepad to review the hand transcript.

Since I don't make a ton of mistakes anymore [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I can get through one HH in about 3-5 minutes. Last night I played about 15 games (4 tabling) from 8-11 and I reviewed all 15 from about 11-12.

I always try and review my games everyday either after a set, but usually after I am done playing. Doing this helps control tilt (when you shove correctly and lose) and it also quickly identifies and corrects leaks before they ruin you (mentally and financially).

Last night I received a lot of beats, but upon reviewing my games, I found that I had also tightened up when I should have been shoving some weaker hands. I also missed and made a few bad calls. I suspect this was due a little to tilting from losing so many hands I was ahead earlier in my session.

Hopefully I run goot tonight [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Dr. J......I haven't downloaded sngwiz yet (I use sngpt), but how does sngwiz tell you if you pushed correctly or not.....wouldn't that depend on your opponents calling ranges? And since their calling ranges are going to change every hand, how can you get through an entire HH in 3-5 minutes?

Thanks

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SNGW assigns ranges to each opponent. However, they are not always great ranges. For much of the game, folding is the correct play... b/c you're OOP or your hand sucks. So you fold, SNGW says nh, and you don't even look at the detail. But the decisions get tougher when you're in CO-BB position w/ marginal holdings, and SNGW often flags these types of hands, for me at least.

Too much to type here, but get the free trial, you'll see, it makes it easy to study relatively quickly. Some games I screw up a lot, and it takes longer to get through those hands. But when I open a tourney, and all I see are green check marks, and I scan my starting stack size on each hand, and the 5 places my stack changed significantly and open the notepad and see I played correctly, or not, I make a mental note and move on. Just try it and report back [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]