A current trend I see by bad and respected players.....
 

In the tourneys I see alot of players limping with 56, 96s, 86, 64 and hands of this nature but thay are in early position and just gambling. I ask why they do it and they say because if the flop comes low I can sneak in and the good hands like AQ only have overs. I myself like 67s 89s, 56s in late position for the minimum but not if I have to get out of line. These people dont care if they get out of line but it seems to be paying off for them. What should I think about this?

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but it seems to be paying off for them.

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You see the ones that payoff ... and if you hit it can be a monster ... but I would venture to say it is a huge error and costs them money in the long run

If more do it that would be fine by me as it is a mistake

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huge leak, in the long term a chip bleeder

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When you see these people do this, how deep are their stacks? How early in the tournament? It's not a "huge leak" depending on game conditions, but on most online tournaments, you want to be doing this every so often deep stack and very rarely in your standard 1500 fare.

Barry

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These kinds of limps are great for Shania

http://www.billcasselman.com/shania_twain_adj.jpg

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What should I think about this?

[/ QUOTE ]think what ever you want to, the only real intressting qustion is if these players are winning or not.

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i agree, on a passive table early with an above average stack, even open raising at times.

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2800 chips blinds start 50-100

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huge leak, in the long term a chip bleeder

[/ QUOTE ]When you hit a str8 or twopairs you can often double your stack. The hand in it self are a big bleeder but in the specific tourney they can be a good start to an early chiplead.

If you try this 500 times at the 10/20 level and only hit good 5 times where you double up from ~1500 chips you'll lose 500 x 20 = 10.000 chips and win 5 x 1500 = 7.500 chips (net -2.500 chips).

You'll be -25% on the hand but when you do double up your $EV (not chip EV) will bu much higher then the loss of 20 chips.

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assuming you double up those times you connect the flop.

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huge leak, in the long term a chip bleeder

[/ QUOTE ]When you hit a str8 or twopairs you can often double your stack. The hand in it self are a big bleeder but in the specific tourney they can be a good start to an early chiplead.

If you try this 500 times at the 10/20 level and only hit good 5 times where you double up from ~1500 chips you'll lose 500 x 20 = 10.000 chips and win 5 x 1500 = 7.500 chips (net -2.500 chips).

You'll be -25% on the hand but when you do double up your $EV (not chip EV) will bu much higher then the loss of 20 chips.

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I think this is bad logic. The only reason to play these hands is Shania, IMO. Look at the way Jamie Gold did it in the ME. If you are limp/raising some big pairs, you balance it out with limp/folding suited connectors. If it's early and lots of people are limping with junk, then there is no real advantage to balancing your strategy and you are just asking to get in a bad situation OOP with 2 pr vs. set, strt vs. higher strt., flush vs. higher flush etc. where you will always get stacked, but not always get max value when you're ahead, because you are in EP.

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I hate your avatar. LOL

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I hate your avatar. LOL

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Haha. That was a fun game (and year.)

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If thats when you had Brown and Caddy....WOW great team