($12) QQ limp-reraised PF
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1940
UTG+1: t1405
MP1: t1230
MP2: t1365
CO: t1535
Hero: t1775
SB: t3190
BB: t1060

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, CO calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t90)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t240</font>, SB folds, BB calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t390)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t780</font>, Hero?

CO hasn't done anything out of the line so far. Would you push or fold?

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Couldn't get all my chips in fast enough

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presto push

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Easy shove, as players, on average, are limp-re-raising with alot of hands that are well-behind QQ.

If he happens to show-up with AA or KK, then take a note for future-reference (though it's not likely to change my play in the future against this guy).

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Couldn't get all my chips in fast enough

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Im new to this forum - but you guys dont like folding do you?

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No, basically because low limit donkeys call you with all kinds of crap so folding anything good is usually -EV.

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I would only consider folding this with a read that he will limp/rr with AA/KK a good amount. If you dont specifically have this read that hes done it with these hands, its pretty difficult to narrow his range readless the first time. Get all of your chips in and make a note.

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So what do you put him on? And he's not calling he's limp re-raising, which is about as strong a telegraph as I can imagine...

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I'd put him on a PP or A high. He could easily decide his TT are good enough because hero is stealing and with another caller he has enough in the pot to try to resteal or take the coin flip etc etc. I dont really care though because I always push this and I've done it enough to know its +EV. For those of you who fold, how would you ever know if you are making the right decision?

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So what do you put him on? And he's not calling he's limp re-raising, which is about as strong a telegraph as I can imagine...

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readless? good lord....any pp, a few Ax hands at least down to ATs...KQ.

the limp/reraise readless is more often not AA/KK. do you always limp/rr AA/KK? do you really think most people who would consider also wouldnt do it with a hand like JJ? how do you distinguish who wants to protect TT and who is trappy with AA? get it all in and make a note, QQ is just too strong here

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Without reads, I think you have to just shove. If he ends up having KK or AA, oh well, I just think that too much of the time you're way ahead.

I could see him calling pushing with 99+, A10+, maybe even KJ. Who knows, at this level, without any reads, you're just winning wayyy too much of the time not to get it in. If he has it, make a note that he likes to call/rr with AA or KK and fire up another one.

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easy call.

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easy call.

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calling would be terrible.

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Sorry I thought CO pushed all in and he was asking if he should call or fold.

ALL IN HERE WITH QQ.

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Ya get it in here. Maybe this guy decided he doesn't want to play OOP or something. I have a hard time believing someone will limp RR from the CO -- it's very odd. I expect to see TT, JJ, AQ, AK, KK and AA here 85% of the time.

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For those of you who fold, how would you ever know if you are making the right decision?

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even if you push, you won't know for sure.
he might show KK+ but do this with a way bigger range.
gotta remember this since he might show KK or AA, just take a note and remember your play was fine.

i instapuash here with a fistpump and without even thinking
even JJ and prolly TT, depends on read

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Chances are really slim he limps on CO with AA, KK. If hes looking for a limp reraise there is the blinds who can raise him. A player is more likely to limp in early pos with 6+ players with a chance to raise. Im banging it in at this level with QQ.

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insta shove kthx

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pls don't fold or call

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I took a look at this in 6max cash games, and found that the range for a LRR from an unknown turns out to be something like KQ+/TT+ about 50% of the time, with half of those being AK/KK+ .

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...page=0&amp;vc=1

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push it