75 150 08 hand 3 handed
 

Playing a juiced up 3 handed game on stars, I forget who I played this against.

I raise button with QJ24 rainbow. SB 3-bets which he was not doing a lot, BB calls 2 cold.

Flop KK9. SB bets, BB raises, I threebet.

I think I open far more hands than most do on the button, but it seemed like in this game everyone was opening a ton on the button.

-Jason

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I don't understand posts like this. On its face, the play seems ridiculous. You don't really share your thought process; you don't really give us much in the way of reads or much else that would allow us to consider the re-raise. Did you do this because of something in this hand? Or for more long range reasons? What are we supposed to say? You're either a genius or an retart.

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Total spew.

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Total spew.

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Fully agreed. There's no fold equity in this spot like ever and either player might have you drawing to a chop with a wrap.

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uh, this post is pointless w/o some read/stats, info on your opponents. IMO, its probably a major spew.

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now we know why the game is juicy [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

jason you really need to explain yourself on this hand, big spew without an amazing read.

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Hmm, okay I guess I should explain myself.... Game is playing really fast, SB continuation bets close to 100% in this spot, its a good spot for BB to make a play given the flop texture, and I might have 4 or more emergency outs. Im basically risking three bets here that both dont have a king or 9s full. Is this totally ridiculous?

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Hmm, okay I guess I should explain myself.... Game is playing really fast, SB continuation bets close to 100% in this spot, its a good spot for BB to make a play given the flop texture, and I might have 4 or more emergency outs. Im basically risking three bets here that both dont have a king or 9s full. Is this totally ridiculous?

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People playing online o8b don't fold, period. I think, in the long run, this is a -EV play by far. I understand the thought process behind the move, and maybe in a live game this kind of play would work, but online I think this is a big - EV move.

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another problem is that you could be drawing dead, and there is no low possible for backup.

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Hmm, okay I guess I should explain myself.... Game is playing really fast, SB continuation bets close to 100% in this spot, its a good spot for BB to make a play given the flop texture, and I might have 4 or more emergency outs. Im basically risking three bets here that both dont have a king or 9s full. Is this totally ridiculous?

[/ QUOTE ] I thought that this was pretty obviously your thought process, what did you think guys? That he was value-betting his Q high?

Jason, the question(s) really is:
1)What percentage of the time is BB making a play? Will he do this with complete air or is there a chance he has at least some sort of wrap he will continue with?
2)If SB is on AA is he actually gonna give it up?
3)If you get called are you betting this again on 4th? on 5th?
4) what are the chances theyll give you credit for the K?

THe thing about posting hands like this is that this situation plays to your strengths as a good poker player, and away from our strengths as nits whove read a lot of books. We cant tell you any more about your opponents and their tendencies than you know.

I will agree that this looks like a HE style move that often turns into a spew in LO8, but if this type of move has been working for you, then by all means.

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I like the play.
You are playing higher stakes and people will be more likely to fold a better hand.
If it was for chump change it would be a total spew.

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FPS

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i think a lot of people that post in this forum dont play very high.

given that ive played a lot of shorthanded 30 60+ online and the aggression is something way higher then people that play lower can understand.

there is a good chance sb simply has a raggedy A2 because people think A2 is the nuts. bb is a little scary. I wouldnt make this move, but thinking about it i like it. You are repping AK, K9, 99 and its hard to call with worse (a king wont fold though) if called you can shut down and maybe even showdown, which i dont think would be taht bad of a thing. showing that you have the ability to three bet in this spot is something that will really keep them guessing at all times.

i still think its spew though, but metagame might make it a decent move

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Hmm, okay I guess I should explain myself.... Game is playing really fast, SB continuation bets close to 100% in this spot, its a good spot for BB to make a play given the flop texture, and I might have 4 or more emergency outs. Im basically risking three bets here that both dont have a king or 9s full. Is this totally ridiculous?

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Thought process makes sense, but you get called down here much lighter than a K or 9's full in agro 3-handed game. AAxx, QQJx, JJQ, QJT, QJ w flushdraw (if one is possible here) could all call you down.

BB is getting 15 to 1 here to call, then he's getting 9 to 1 on the turn if you bet, then 11 to 11 to 1 on river. Each increment makes it easy for him to think "strassa opens ~40% of his hands or whatever and can be making a move here more than 10% of the time"

-g

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i think a lot of people that post in this forum dont play very high.

given that ive played a lot of shorthanded 30 60+ online and the aggression is something way higher then people that play lower can understand.


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The aggression you speak of makes this even less likely that they will fold.

Also, playing "higher" doesn't make your strategy any better than the next guy's.

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Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation Propokertools
479,807 trials (Randomized)
board: KsKh9d
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
QhJd4s2c 20.37% 92,038 92,038 11,525 0 0
**** 39.75% 186,162 186,162 9,235 0 0
**** 39.87% 186,685 186,685 9,343 0 0

You're way behind two random hands, and the BB is probably not raising with air.

Re: 75 150 08 hand 3 handed
 

Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation Propokertools
455,328 trials (Randomized)
board: kskd9h
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
qhjd4c2s 10.44% 39,382 39,382 16,363 0 0
a2** 16.57% 69,541 69,541 11,886 0 0
mbba 72.98% 318,533 318,533 27,585 0 0

This is a simulation versus
SB A2 plus two random
BB Ace plus two high cards and one middle

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Also, playing "higher" doesn't make your strategy any better than the next guy's.

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the game is so much different its unbelievable.

do you think people posting 200 400 limit hold em hands really appreciate the advice of someone who has never played higher then 2 4 lhe. its pretty much a completely different game. that is the only point i was trying to make.

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Now I see why gregery is who he is...I would say that you are not getting the hands he mentioned to fold, especially if the game has been playing fast and furious...My only question would be, is the BB capable of making this move with ANY pair and will he laydown eventually or is he gonna call you down to the end thinking that you are full of crap?

I think in this situation this is spew...

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Hmm, okay I guess I should explain myself.... Game is playing really fast, SB continuation bets close to 100% in this spot, its a good spot for BB to make a play given the flop texture, and I might have 4 or more emergency outs. Im basically risking three bets here that both dont have a king or 9s full. Is this totally ridiculous?

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People playing online o8b don't fold, period. I think, in the long run, this is a -EV play by far. I understand the thought process behind the move, and maybe in a live game this kind of play would work, but online I think this is a big - EV move.

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Hey, good to see you posting on here.

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Right, I dunno I definitely dont try this type of thing very often!

SB folds, BB calls my threebet. (no flushdraw was possible on flop).

Turn is a queen (board is still rags).

We check it down and I beat T98x.

I'll never know what woulda happened if I fired the turn on a brick, but you are probably right that I'm likely seeing showdown here. My flaw is likely over-polarizing the BB's range. There is probably total air and definitely the nuts in his range, but there is also a lot of hands that could reasonably be suspicious and call down given how fast the game was playing... Hands like T98x.

WTF is he doing preflop...

-Jason

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Hey, good to see you posting on here.

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Yes, if you are jakz of same screenname at Stars/FT who play shorthanded highstakes I've played you a bunch are consider you very tough. hope you post more.