Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

Thoughts on this?

Duplicate online poker legal in the US

[ QUOTE ]
Our games eliminate the "luck of the draw" element from poker. As a result the elements of skill predominate in determining winners in our Duplicate Poker games. We have taken the principles of duplicate bridge and applied them to popular poker games, like Texas Hold'Em Click here to find out more about Duplicate Poker. By eliminating this luck element we have greatly increased the skill elements. This makes playing our poker games more fair and more mentally challenging.

Games that are predominately skill-based are legal in most U.S. jurisdictions. There are a few states within the U.S. that have not yet permitted skill-based games to be played for cash or prizes. For those states, e-PokerUSA only allows its games to be played on a play-money basis and you cannot win cash or prizes except in freerolls that we may offer from time to time


[/ QUOTE ]


Rules

[ QUOTE ]

e-PokerUSA Duplicate Poker involves play of pot-limit and no-limit Texas hold'em under the general rules governing that game, except each deal is duplicated at the table in play, enabling players at other tables to play the same hands under the same conditions. Here are the main characteristics of duplicate poker:

First, there are always two or more tables of players, with the same number of players seated at each table.
Second, an identically ordered deck of cards is used at each table for each deal, so that players in the same seat position at each table receive the same hole cards, and the board cards are the same at each table.
Third, every player begins each deal with the same number of playing chips, regardless of how he or she may have done in any previous deal.
Fourth, the player's score for each deal is based on the net number of chips he or she has at the end of that deal as compared with the number of chips the player had at the start of that deal.
Fifth, the player's score for a session (set series of deals) is whatever the net plus or minus result is for that player on all of the deals played in that session.
Sixth, a player's outcome for a session is determined by that player's ranking compared to each of the other players in his or her same seat position.


[/ QUOTE ]

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

Problem is wouldnt cheating be unbelievably profitable in this game? At least thats how it seems offhand, and also seems like it'd be nearly impossible to catch.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

Seeing as online Texas Hold'em is legal in the US, then yes, I imagine online Duplicate Texas Hold'em is legal as well.

IIRC, the consensus was that they rake the games to much to be able to have any edge, but I'm going from memory and can't remember any numbers.

$0.02

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

A multi-tabling HUD bot's dream.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

My thoughts on this are that it would not be a very lucrative game, and that it would be lot less fun to play. Thats a guess tho, as I have only watched it played a few times.

Legally its brilliant, the "chance" aspect is pretty much completely removed (unless you consider your opponents and their actions chance - please dont do that).

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

I'd rather eat worms.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

[ QUOTE ]
Seeing as online Texas Hold'em is legal in the US, then yes, I imagine online Duplicate Texas Hold'em is legal as well.


[/ QUOTE ]

Can you please site the supporting case law?

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Seeing as online Texas Hold'em is legal in the US, then yes, I imagine online Duplicate Texas Hold'em is legal as well.


[/ QUOTE ]

Can you please site the supporting case law?

[/ QUOTE ]

It is my understanding that there is not a case law that says it's illegal, therefore we are assuming it is legal?

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Seeing as online Texas Hold'em is legal in the US, then yes, I imagine online Duplicate Texas Hold'em is legal as well.


[/ QUOTE ]

Can you please site the supporting case law?

[/ QUOTE ]

Could you please cite the supporting case law making chewing bubble-gum legal?

Snide remarks aside, several states do have laws making it illegal, but there is no law at the federal level making online poker illegal.

It is legal in the US, left to states to regulate as they see fit.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

Shameless plug, but I blogged about it.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

I dont know how the "skill vs luck ratio" will turn out to be in this game, but luck will surely be a factor in this game as well, albeit in a different form.

As soon as players in the tournament realize they have gotten poor results in hands that have been played, they have an incentive to 'gamble' more on future hands.

Your luck if you get the winning hand in a pot with such a 'desperate' player.

At other tables the opponent in the same seat, holding the same cards wont be giving away his chips so easily.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

[ QUOTE ]
I dont know how the "skill vs luck ratio" will turn out to be in this game, but luck will surely be a factor in this game as well, albeit in a different form.

[/ QUOTE ]

Absolutely!

Scenario: You have TPTK on a wet fop facing a lot of heat so you drop. Turns out the guy had a made straight, but your donk "partner" stacks off, and then hits a runner-runner full house. You played it better, and the donk gets all your monies.

How has the luck been eliminated again?

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

This game sounds BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRIIIIIING.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

Alternatively... play standard texas hold them.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

It if caught on, I'd actually consider getting involved in tournaments. Can't stand standard poker tournaments.

Of course, the fact I've been a serious duplicate bridge player half my life might be a factor.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

A lot (though by no means all) of luck factor is removed in duplicate bridge because all 52 cards are used. There's no way of getting round luck in poker - all this does is remove the luck in what cards you get pre-flop. For example, a player may get it all in with aces pre-flop and lose more to a suck out than his competitor who doesn't.

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

How about running cards multiple times when people are all in? How much does that reduce the luck element?

Re: Duplicate Online Texas Hold em - legal in the US
 

This had slightly more luck (which was neccessary to avoid collusion) and they didn't get very far with anything.

Skill Poker, for those who have short memories.

If anyone could be bothered to search all of cmwings' posts they'd learn a lot more about it.

Lori