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bottomset 05-22-2007 05:54 PM

NL100: 3Barrel hand
 
fullring table, playing shorthanded

villian is slightly loose, 23/13 not much for history

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($197.40)
Hero ($99)
BB ($100)
UTG ($40.70)
MP ($28.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Button calls $5.

Flop: ($14) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($34) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $24</font>, Button calls $24.

River: ($82) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $59 (All-In)</font>

I wish I had a little more effective stacks, but I felt he was isolating most strong hands preflop, so seems like 77 and 22 the only real dangerous hands

Jeff76 05-22-2007 05:57 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
Did you decide on the turn if he called your bet you were going all the way? If so, perhaps crai on the turn?

Larude 05-22-2007 06:19 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
I saw Carter in another thread say that this is the way how LAGs sometime play there sets... MHO is that after the turn you are beating JTs, 89s and maybe ATs. I think you are facing a set here; you raised preflop OOP, so he can't really be afraid that you have a draw on the flop. On the turn even the K doesn't scare him (you might have improved with AK). Would he call with PP's on the flop and the turn or float them.....? Only possible if he reads you exactly for AQ. I don't like it.

D.L.M. 05-22-2007 06:25 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
pot size is risky for this, alot of villians commit to a call here, even if they are oop and check lol.

D.L.M. 05-22-2007 06:26 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
accually that might just be against me since ill throw my stack in on three streets easily if i sense weekness, its to the point where regs check call all the way to the [censored] river with top set and such. but now atleast they are pretty docile on every hand we play.

pterodactyl_ 05-22-2007 06:26 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
I think you need more to push him out on the river. If you were closer to pot size I think youd have a better shot of pulling it off.

Raised2Win 05-22-2007 06:27 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
like the turn, on river.. its pretty bad, if he doesnt have 89 we are going to get looked too often I belive. and if he has 89, he might not check it behind.

I give up here more than 75% of time.

bottomset 05-22-2007 06:30 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
well if he does have 77 or 22 he isn't folding, TT seems really unlikely, I don't see many Kx hands in his range

so that leaves Tx hands that didn't believe me on the turn, possibly some PP hands too, do you think he calls with a T here?

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and if he has 89, he might not check it behind.


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spot to bluff to prevent being bluffed?

bottomset 05-25-2007 01:32 AM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
bump

CalledDownLight 05-25-2007 02:02 AM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
You could see K10 a lot, but I think this is actaully a really good stack size to do it with. 3/4 pot should be plenty to fold 10x hands or even Kx hands often if they floated the flop. I'd like it a lot more if it was a full table, but its still not bad. Good board and good opponent to try this against.

Cry Me A River 05-25-2007 02:16 AM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
When he doesn't fold to the scare card on the turn I usually give up. You're representing a pair &gt;=T pretty clearly here and he's clearly said he's not going anywhere. Barring a read that he likes to call 2 barrels (which you don't seem to have) this guy is either a station OR he's beating what you're representing. A set is definately in his range, there's very few draws. I'm not sure what's in his range that he's both A) capable of folding and B) willing to call 2 barrels with, particularly after the overcard on the turn.

If you think he plays 88/99 like this and can fold river then maybe but I think that's expecting a lot from random loose/bad player. Have you noticed him calling two streets a lot with no draws and giving up on the river? If not, I think this is pretty dodgy.

diebitter 05-25-2007 04:58 AM

Re: NL100: 3Barrel hand
 
Please include the level in the subject line in future hand histories. - Carter

CopTHIS 05-25-2007 05:58 AM

Re: NL100: 3Barrel hand
 
Give up on the river and hope for a miracle that he checks down 89s ;-)

If the turn and river cards were reversed then it would be better, but if they call that turn they are calling the river too often.

Semtex 05-25-2007 07:38 AM

Re: NL100: 3Barrel hand
 
i think the effective question in this hand is what your image was at the time.

chicken10der 05-25-2007 08:23 AM

Re: NL100: 3Barrel hand
 
I'm not too big of a fan here. The third barrel is betting 59 to win 82, so you need ~42% fold equity for it to be just breakeven. I just don't see that high of a % here because:

1. It is 5-handed, so you are going to get called down lighter.

2. The bet is a 70% PSB, and villain has already called 70% PSBs on flop and turn.

3. What Larude said. I just don't see enough best hands that will be forced to fold out on the river.

threads13 05-25-2007 08:53 AM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
I would think that he may even raise 77 and 22. I am not sure what sort of Tx hands that he is open-limping on the button with. I think he may have something like QTs-T8s,JTs, 77-22. I think you can pretty much all of these hands to fold if this is an accurate range.

bottomset 05-25-2007 01:56 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
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I would think that he may even raise 77 and 22. I am not sure what sort of Tx hands that he is open-limping on the button with. I think he may have something like QTs-T8s,JTs, 77-22. I think you can pretty much all of these hands to fold if this is an accurate range.

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he overlimped the btn

he called with QTo

so basically he had what I thought he had, just didn't do what I thought he would do

Jeff76 05-25-2007 01:57 PM

Re: 3Barrel hand
 
[ QUOTE ]
so basically he had what I thought he had, just didn't do what I thought he would do

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, the story of my poker life right there.


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