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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy4Eugc0Xls

For Nielso- "They are hiding behind patriotism"

He does a really good job of defending his statements about 9/11.

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He does a really good job of defending his statements about 9/11.

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Really? I felt he played it more like a politician (i.e., that's what the 9/11 commission report said in 2 quotes also) rather than a straight-talking Perot-esque non-politico who could rally real support.

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Was that the 7EST interview people are talking about?

Either way he did very well.

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was switched to 510

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It's funny that people only blast Fox for the patriotic nonsense, when Ron Paul has a banner underneath his name during this interview that reads "Blaming the U.S. for 9/11." CNN appears to be just as sensational as Fox with this garbage.

He's not "blaming" the US for 9/11. He's trying to discuss and bring forth one of the major causes of 9/11. And if anyone is going to suggest our foreign policy over the past few decades has NOTHING to do with people overseas wishing to do us harm, they need to get their head out of the sand.

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It's funny that people only blast Fox for the patriotic nonsense, when Ron Paul has a banner underneath his name during this interview that reads "Blaming the U.S. for 9/11." CNN appears to be just as sensational as Fox with this garbage.

He's not "blaming" the US for 9/11. He's trying to discuss and bring forth one of the major causes of 9/11. And if anyone is going to suggest our foreign policy over the past few decades has NOTHING to do with people overseas wishing to do us harm, they need to get their head out of the sand.

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MSM is biased and panders to audiences. What else is new?

People won't tune-in if they're flipping channels and see "Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R) Speaks" on the screen, but odds are they'll watch more often if it says something controversial like "Blaming the US for 9/11"

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It's funny that people only blast Fox for the patriotic nonsense, when Ron Paul has a banner underneath his name during this interview that reads "Blaming the U.S. for 9/11." CNN appears to be just as sensational as Fox with this garbage.

He's not "blaming" the US for 9/11. He's trying to discuss and bring forth one of the major causes of 9/11. And if anyone is going to suggest our foreign policy over the past few decades has NOTHING to do with people overseas wishing to do us harm, they need to get their head out of the sand.

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MSM is biased and panders to audiences. What else is new?

People won't tune-in if they're flipping channels and see "Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R) Speaks" on the screen, but odds are they'll watch more often if it says something controversial like "Blaming the US for 9/11"

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So you agree that CNN is also full of crap in how it portrays a story. I think that was the point.

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This is going to be the last Ron Paul thread for a while, so make it count. Surf, I notice that you have started Ron Paul threads in other forums. Pretty much all of that kind of thing should be here.

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We wouldn't want too many threads on the only prominent person in American politics who isn't towing a traditional Repub or Dem party line.

Just wonderful.

You can all go back to debating ACism utopia and arguing over which double-talking Repub or Dem you like best.

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rofl modaments

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This is going to be the last Ron Paul thread for a while, so make it count. Surf, I notice that you have started Ron Paul threads in other forums. Pretty much all of that kind of thing should be here.



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I think that's lame. He's a unique candidate, and deserves MORE discussion than mainstream candidates because of that (information theory duh)

Also, it's going to continue to be interesting to see the way the establishment is reacting to his candidacy. We need threads to cover this stuff, because the mainstream media sure as hell won't.

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You'll get more threads, just next week.

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Mods must toe the corporate line.

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Yeah, let's censor Ron Paul, the only candidate that actually has a message worth listening to. WOW LOL LOL [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I put my foot down once about Obama a couple months ago and I love Obama. This isn't about censoring anyone.

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I put my foot down once about Obama a couple months ago and I love Obama. This isn't about censoring anyone.

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What is it about?

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I put my foot down once about Obama a couple months ago and I love Obama. This isn't about censoring anyone.

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What is it about?

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Why not just have a broad "Official Ron Paul Thread"


Instead of having to start a new thread everytime he speaks in public, debates someone, or has a BM.

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I put my foot down once about Obama a couple months ago and I love Obama. This isn't about censoring anyone.

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What is it about?

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Why not just have a broad "Official Ron Paul Thread"


Instead of having to start a new thread everytime he speaks in public, debates someone, or has a BM.

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I second that. If it gets too big like the NBA playoff thread, we can start a new one.

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We tried that, but official threads didn't go over well. Besides, this way you guys get 2.5 Ron Paul threads instead of one.

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I love ron paul!
In before lock!

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bar mitzvah, bowel movement, or baby momma?

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If I were a woman I would be his baby momma!
Since I'm not I wil have to settle for being his bowel movement!

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This is the only guy in the past 10 years to run for president as a democrat or republican that thinks we have the right to gamble as we see fit on the internet, that thinks freedom is something you are born with and not "granted" from government and places a premium on personal responsibility and is calling for the banishment of the nanny state.

By all means, please lock any new threads about him, no matter how news worthy.

Are all the mods except El D idiots or just he ones that post?

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I just watched this video. I'm very conflicted about RP. On the one hand, he's a great guy to have in a debate, because he has meritorious positions, defends them well, and draws attention to when other people are talking out of their ass or saying things they don't really mean to sound good. But on the other hand, I think he would be a scary guy to get elected president. So ideally, I'd like to see him hang around until the last round of the primaries or so, infuse some of the views he advocates into the candidate's platform, and then fade away.

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He does a really good job of defending his statements about 9/11.

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Really? I felt he played it more like a politician (i.e., that's what the 9/11 commission report said in 2 quotes also) rather than a straight-talking Perot-esque non-politico who could rally real support.

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Uhm... wtf are you talking about?

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We tried that, but official threads didn't go over well. Besides, this way you guys get 2.5 Ron Paul threads instead of one.

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Ron Paul is pretty much 1 topic. AC isn't. It's not really the same at all. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a couple "official" stickies for the candidates the people in this forum seem the most interested in (Obama and Paul are the only ones as far as I can tell), and I was definitely up in arms about the AC thread.

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I just watched this video. I'm very conflicted about RP. On the one hand, he's a great guy to have in a debate, because he has meritorious positions, defends them well, and draws attention to when other people are talking out of their ass or saying things they don't really mean to sound good. But on the other hand, I think he would be a scary guy to get elected president. So ideally, I'd like to see him hang around until the last round of the primaries or so, infuse some of the views he advocates into the candidate's platform, and then fade away.

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What is he capable of doing as president that you find really scary? Make Congress go for a 66% majority on everything they want to pass?

He might well also be able to compromise and get some actual good legislation in. Removing federal restrictions on medical marijuana, for example, or maybe get a proportional representation movement going. The only libertarian things that could really get passed are those that have broad popular support but are simply ignored by the Republocrats.

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What is he capable of doing as president that you find really scary?

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I don't really know. That's the problem. But I've read some of his articles, many of which advocate fairly extreme positions, like getting rid of the Fed or reintroducing a gold standard or completely retrenching our foreign policy. Even if he's only in office for 4 years, he could really remake a lot of the institutions of the government.

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Does anyone know about his funding?
I'd be interested in how he's doing there (and also who gave money to him)

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I don't really know. That's the problem. But I've read some of his articles, many of which advocate fairly extreme positions, like getting rid of the Fed or reintroducing a gold standard or completely retrenching our foreign policy. Even if he's only in office for 4 years, he could really remake a lot of the institutions of the government.

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And therein lies the scary part, and the fantastic part.

The major two things wrong with the US government right now are the beaurocratic juggernaut it has become, and the inability and/or unwillingness of our elected officials to downsize and remake the government. It is a scary proposition, because the only way to 'fix' America is to make huge, fundamental changes, and everybody fears huge changes.

But the fact is, these changes have to be made. The federal government DOES need to be downsized, and more power needs to be shifted to the states and counties. The federal tax system DOES need to be revamped or removed entirely. Social Security DOES need to be fixed or eliminated entirely. Lobbyists and corporations DO need to be outside arms reach of Washington. Health care and prescription coverage IS spiraling out of control and is putting this country in jeopardy. Illegal immigration IS taxing our country. Lack of shift to renewable resources IS causing financial and environmental damage to our country. The un-winnable war on drugs DOES need to be reconsidered.

NONE of these issues can be fixed short of completely destroying them and rebuilding them from the ground up, and the only person who has shown that they are willing to do anything except throw some bandages on the current system is Ron Paul. That's why he's scary.

And that's why someone like him is needed.

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Does anyone know about his funding?
I'd be interested in how he's doing there (and also who gave money to him)

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Linky

Total raised: $600k for 6th in the GOP field.

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Wow, so now the Moderators on this group are acting just like all the other fascists in the media. You gonna ban us from talking about him too, then join these guys: http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41547 here is another article: http://ronpaulfan.blogspot.com/2007/...on-of-ron.html

You gonna keep us silent? Then join CNN and even the Daily Show and Colbert Report who mysteriously leave out Ron Paul's name when talking about the debates. How about just deciding what we can talk about and then putting up a list for us?

But then, will this post be banned too?

I am shocked and appalled and stunned. Why don't you just ban poker while you are at it? Ron Paul is our best hope for a free society, one where you can play poker UNREGULATED AND UNTAXED and you want us to shut up about him?

Who are you? How did you get to be a moderator? The media is doing a fantastic job of silencing this man already, and now YOU want to do it too?

How dare you!!!!!! Is this truly the policy of this forum or is this just one moderator's power drive? I really need to know.

So if I really need to make it count then here....

Ron Paul needs our support. Please vote for him on this stupid poll. It will only take a second, but if he consistently comes out on top then perhaps someone will take him seriously. http://azgop.typepad.com/ You don't even give them any info. Just copy paste and click.

Now for the harder part. Ron Paul has only 600k to work with. He needs more. We all know that. I am asking that for once we all donate to his campaign. RonPaul2008.com Even if it is only ten bucks, it will help. If even the moderators on this site are going to tell us what we can talk about then we might as well all fold up our tents and leave the country.

I simply can't believe that statement. Also, who decides what forum a thread CAN be started in? Are you policing all the other forums to make sure a stray thread isn't started? I don't see people having a problem discussing this issue.

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

What kind of site is this?

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lol

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1. He said last thread, not last post. There are like 3 threads, so feel free to post all you want in them. It's understandable for the moderator to prevent a forum from being completely dominated by one topic.

2. This is the politics forum. Ron Paul = politics. The reason this forum exists if to host the politics threads, so posting politics threads in other forums is obviously out.

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Jeffiner99 -

Your claim that Ron Paul is being shut out by the media is laughable. He simply has not been news before this point. Now that he is articles such as "Martin: Paul's 9/11 explanation deserves to be debated" (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/18/martin/index.html) are being written and more like it will. How can there be a link on the front page of CNN with Ron Paul's name if they're boycotting him?

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I don't really know. That's the problem. But I've read some of his articles, many of which advocate fairly extreme positions, like getting rid of the Fed or reintroducing a gold standard or completely retrenching our foreign policy. Even if he's only in office for 4 years, he could really remake a lot of the institutions of the government.

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And therein lies the scary part, and the fantastic part.

The major two things wrong with the US government right now are the beaurocratic juggernaut it has become, and the inability and/or unwillingness of our elected officials to downsize and remake the government. It is a scary proposition, because the only way to 'fix' America is to make huge, fundamental changes, and everybody fears huge changes.

But the fact is, these changes have to be made. The federal government DOES need to be downsized, and more power needs to be shifted to the states and counties. The federal tax system DOES need to be revamped or removed entirely. Social Security DOES need to be fixed or eliminated entirely. Lobbyists and corporations DO need to be outside arms reach of Washington. Health care and prescription coverage IS spiraling out of control and is putting this country in jeopardy. Illegal immigration IS taxing our country. Lack of shift to renewable resources IS causing financial and environmental damage to our country. The un-winnable war on drugs DOES need to be reconsidered.

NONE of these issues can be fixed short of completely destroying them and rebuilding them from the ground up, and the only person who has shown that they are willing to do anything except throw some bandages on the current system is Ron Paul. That's why he's scary.

And that's why someone like him is needed.

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A Ron Paul figure may be necessary, but that's only part of the solution. Ron Paul as part of a broad national consensus for change would be reasonable. But 4 years of bomb-throwing Ron Paul followed by a conventional president could lead to an even less libertarian society than we have now.

They aren't mentioned in the Constitution, but the administrative agencies in Washington are just as important a check on the power of the Presidency as Congress or the Supreme Court. Maybe we need to move away from those organizations, but until there's a general consensus on getting rid of them and replacing them with a different government paradigm, just getting rid of them could create problems.

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1. He said last thread, not last post. There are like 3 threads, so feel free to post all you want in them. It's understandable for the moderator to prevent a forum from being completely dominated by one topic.

2. This is the politics forum. Ron Paul = politics. The reason this forum exists if to host the politics threads, so posting politics threads in other forums is obviously out.

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So no posting in the legislation thread? I suppose Ron Paul and politics has nothing to do with any legislation? What about the News thread? Ron Paul and politics has nothing to do with the news?

Obviously, huh?

So far I have not seen this forum totally overrun by Ron Paul, I don't think this forum is in danger.

I do think this site is in danger though if moderators force topics off the page. The same way this country is in danger is people force ideas off the stage.

If there are a lot of Ron Paul threads it is because people want to talk about him in many different topics. So what is wrong with listening to the people?

At the moment I see two threads on the front page talking about Ron Paul on specific networks. I don't see that as being over run. How many threads are there on Iraq?

I'm sorry, but I don't see the need for one person to tell the rest of us what we can talk about.

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This is exactly what the moderators are for.

You are tilting at windmills. Let it go; iron81 is not trying to censor you. He's just trying to prevent Ron Paul Thread Sprawl. Simply pick one of the 3 active Ron Paul threads to make your points in, and everything will be fine.

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Jeffiner99 -

Your claim that Ron Paul is being shut out by the media is laughable. He simply has not been news before this point. Now that he is articles such as "Martin: Paul's 9/11 explanation deserves to be debated" (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/18/martin/index.html) are being written and more like it will. How can there be a link on the front page of CNN with Ron Paul's name if they're boycotting him?

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Not being in the news is different than specific news outlets having a BAN on using his name. Did you read my links? Try doing a search in Google news with the words Ron Paul and Ban.

Here are a few articles for you:
http://ronpaulfan.blogspot.com/2007/...on-of-ron.html
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=62529
http://www.jbs.org/node/4003
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_poli...the_debat.html

Banning discussion of a presidential candidate, any candidate, on any forum is not laughable sir. It is dangerous.

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I think I may have been a wee bit flippant in this thread. I apologize. I read the Real Clear Politics link and I think that's a good analysis of the backstory behind the Debate scuffle.

I'll just say this about Paul. Even if he did come off poorly, I think that this spat is a plus for him. The absolute worst thing the media can do to you as a candidate is ignore you. If everybody is listening, you have a shot.