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Jman28 05-15-2007 10:22 PM

Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
So I got on this next season of HSP thanks to a friend of mine putting in a good word for me.

I was 2nd alternate on day 2 and starting on day 3.

Day 2 was a 100k min buyin and day 3 was 500k min. I brought 720k with me, planning on playing with 220k max on day two if I got a seat (which the producer made to sound unlikely) and saving the last 500k for the next day, or whatever I had leftover from day 2.

I showed up for day 2 around 2pm, just after taping started. Mori, the producer, was extremely nice. He let all of my friends come on set (there were not many people on set). He made me feel very comfortable there, as did all of the other producers and everyone working on the show.

It was cool on set. Free food. Random pros walking around. I did some on camera hand analysis for a GSN.com feature, which I wasn't prepared for, but I think I did okay. I was watching the game for hours. Extremely loose action. People were calling down when someones entire range is ahead of their hand. I almost had a boner about it.

I got into the game with 2 hours left of taping on day two. I don’t know if I can say exactly who was playing, but I’ll say that the table was very loose and aggressive (in a good way for me) and very talkative. It was the best game I’d played in all year. I was glad I got in, but bummed that I only had two hours. Not to mention that it was live and on a TV set, so I was probably dealt 40 hands the whole time. The players were very friendly for the most part. Jamie Gold was actually a really nice guy (I say actually because I didn’t expect him to be) and improved a lot since last season. Negreanu also played much much better than he had in previous years, and is a great guy from what I can tell. I’m gonna stop listing off players in case I’m not supposed to.

I had 100k on the table and 100k in my pocket and was saving the rest for day 3. 90% of hands were straddled and a few were double straddled. That left me with ~40-80bbs effective. With that, and no one folding preflop, the game got really boring for me. I basically had to play 10% of my hands if I wanted to max my EV. Phil Hellmuth called me a nit, which is probably the most embarrassing thing that I can remember happening to me in my lifetime.

I was really proud of my ability to hand read live. I was worried that I wouldn't to be able to pick up on things, but I was catching tons of timing tells and was able to put people on hands pretty well, which was what I did to keep busy while folding. There was one hand where I bet and got two really weak seeming calls on a very drawy board. I was really mad because I had the nuts (like 4th nuts, but clearly the best hand) but I couldn't check turn and let draws hit even though I was sure they were folding their midpairs with a gutter or oesd. I guess I don't know if my reads were right, but I feel good about them.

There was another hand that I wasn't a part of where one player shoved the river for about 2/5 pot after check-raising the turn. The other player tanks, saying his hand is as good as ace high. People started to chatter about what he could possibly have, which made me feel awesome since I was 90% sure he had 88-JJ with one club and was calling the turn in hopes for a club to hit or a free showdown and was folding to a river bet. After he folded, Negreanu said that he knew the one player would never bluff there, and I thought to myself how I'd always bluffshove that river. I’m looking forward to seeing that hand to check my read.

Overall though, it was a boring day for me. Lots of anticipation and only got the chance to play for 2 hours with a small roll since I was saving 500k for the big day.

Just before going to bed that night, I was informed that 3 of the TV Pros from day 2 decided last minute that they wanted to play on day 3, and that I wasn’t good TV because I was so tight and didn’t talk enough to the players who don’t know me. So, I lost my spot on the table. To say the least, I was very mad. Had I not been saving $500k for day 3, I would’ve been able to play a much more open game. I guess nobody there had any idea of my reputation and playing style, because I have never been accused of being a nit before that day. Usually I get ‘station’ ‘monkey’ or ‘FPS-machine’. I also had less than 50 hands to show what I had. Hellmuth spent over 15 minutes negotiating and discussing insurance deals when he was all-in.

Not to mention the fact that I had to fly halfway across the country and move $720k twice (not easy for me, and probably will get me audited) to play for 2 hours and get bumped from my guaranteed spot by people who have been on the show many times, live in Vegas, and aren’t affected at all by being on the show one more day.

Another frustrating aspect of it is that I didn’t get a chance to prove myself. America still thinks that my whole Day 2 table (besides me) is full of the best poker players in the world, when I would’ve salivated over playing any of them HU. (Maybe wouldn’t have salivated over one or two but would surely be a favorite) I know that I need to get over this part. It shouldn’t bother me what the public thinks, and I’m working on not caring as much.

After getting angry for a while, I looked for somewhere/someone to place my anger. That’s when I realized that there was really no one to be angry at. I was lied to, in a sense, which is my number one pet peave by far. But the players we almost all extremely friendly, and I’m positive the ones who wanted to play the next day didn’t consider the effects on me. Mori gave me a shot at being on one of the most watched poker shows on TV. He was nothing but nice and accommodating. While I’m sure he had a lot of say as to whether I got to keep my day 3 spot, I don’t blame him much for his decision. He doesn’t want to upset some of his biggest name players, and I didn’t show him anything on day 2 that he could show to execs to defend his decision to keep me on the show. As far as he knows, I am a complete nit and maybe not even good at poker.

I think it’s really unfortunate that America would rather watch bad, loud poker than extremely high level thinking from the true best players in the world, but I guess they don’t know any better.

I would love if someone would do a show where Me, durrr, Aba, and two more (Not saying I’m necessarily one of the best 5 online players and don’t wanna make a top 5 list) each play HU v Ivey, Doyle, Negreanu, etc. Like, we each pair up with a pro and play best of 3 HU 200bb freezouts. Each team puts up $2mm or whatever and whichever team wins most out of 5 splits the prize amongst themselves. Online pros v Live pros. Then maybe America would realize how it really is. Anyways, I’m ranting now.

I didn’t have a good experience at HSP, but it was really nobody’s fault. Mori told me he owed me and would make it up to me. My friends didn’t believe him, but I do. He seems very genuine. Hopefully I’ll get my chance sometime soon.

Oh. I finished up $20k! YAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!

Shine 05-15-2007 10:24 PM

Re: Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
cliffs notes:
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Phil Hellmuth called me a nit, which is probably the most embarrassing thing that I can remember happening to me in my lifetime.

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I was informed that 3 of the TV Pros from day 2 decided last minute that they wanted to play on day 3, and that I wasn’t good TV because I was so tight and didn’t talk enough to the players who don’t know me. So, I lost my spot on the table.

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it’s really unfortunate that America would rather watch bad, loud poker than extremely high level thinking from the true best players in the world, but I guess they don’t know any better.

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Spechel EDD 05-15-2007 10:26 PM

Re: Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

lowpockets 05-15-2007 10:28 PM

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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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It was when Aba was on HSP.

Jman28 05-15-2007 10:28 PM

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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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I hope not. I don't read anything I sign.

Pretty sure I didn't reveal anything pertinant that wasn't already posted elsewhere.

React1oN 05-15-2007 10:28 PM

Re: Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
Start talking when your not in hands obv

eurythmech 05-15-2007 10:30 PM

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tl;dr

oneouterson 05-15-2007 10:30 PM

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what douchebags

Teh1337zor 05-15-2007 10:30 PM

Re: Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
just saying you shoudlnt care what the "public" thinks of you. The public thinks Chris Moneymaker is the best poker player ever. The poker community knows you are great and respects you and if I were you I would be satisfied by that.

sigurrostyp 05-15-2007 10:31 PM

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Good read thanx

DopamineRelease 05-15-2007 10:31 PM

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Nice TR, enjoyed it
And 20k isn't bad at all
A++

Jman28 05-15-2007 10:32 PM

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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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I hope not. I don't read anything I sign.

Pretty sure I didn't reveal anything pertinant that wasn't already posted elsewhere.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post10365389

Irieguy didn't sign any contract. I was careful not to give away much.

They made me sign the contract 30 seconds before going on camera, so I didn't have a chance to look at it.

SmileyEH 05-15-2007 10:32 PM

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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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It sounds like Jman will be edited out entirely. Either way good read, sucks that it didn't go as planed for you Jman.

Taylor Caby 05-15-2007 10:32 PM

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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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I hope not. I don't read anything I sign.


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This is actually pretty badass.

BowToYourSensei 05-15-2007 10:33 PM

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just saying you shoudlnt care what the "public" thinks of you. The public thinks Chris Moneymaker is the best poker player ever. The poker community knows you are great and respects you and if I were you I would be satisfied by that.

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kickpushcoast 05-15-2007 10:36 PM

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Start talking when your not in hands obv

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yeah, colorful personalities are what people want to see on TV, in regards to any show. the average viewer doesnt care about high level thinking processes, they want to see alot of money move around and people talk smack, even in a friendly way, to each other. its entertainment, you have to show personality, either in a good or bad way. its probably way +EV for your TV poker career to splash around and act like a jackass

moving shapes 05-15-2007 10:38 PM

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pretty frustrating. i'd say one hand every 20mins or whatever was hell.

Gonso 05-15-2007 10:38 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
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isnt this in violation of any disclosure contract or whatever?

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I hope not. I don't read anything I sign.


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This is actually pretty badass.

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MasterLJ 05-15-2007 10:38 PM

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Thanks for the trip report... nit!

Lucky 05-15-2007 10:39 PM

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cliffs notes:
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Phil Hellmuth called me a nit, which is probably the most embarrassing thing that I can remember happening to me in my lifetime.

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I was informed that 3 of the TV Pros from day 2 decided last minute that they wanted to play on day 3, and that I wasn’t good TV because I was so tight and didn’t talk enough to the players who don’t know me. So, I lost my spot on the table.

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it’s really unfortunate that America would rather watch bad, loud poker than extremely high level thinking from the true best players in the world, but I guess they don’t know any better.

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America values heart over brains and attitude over talent.

Santzes 05-15-2007 10:39 PM

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That's just sad. I would love to see more great online players like you, durrrr and aba playing in HSP. I think Aba was one of the best parts of the last season.

A++ for the trip report.

JSchnett 05-15-2007 10:41 PM

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Damn, that sucks. The most they should do is cut down some of your hours on day 3.

rowdyclassmate 05-15-2007 10:41 PM

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Jman:

Sorry to hear that! Those playing "bad, loud poker" are the ones that sell - I wouldn't take it to heart. Most likely, you would demolish them... just next time, be prepared to "sell" yourself to the masses.

jtown1010 05-15-2007 10:42 PM

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Sounds like a pretty BS move on their part, I guess they are in television so they have to put what they think is the best product out, but it would be nice if they did make it up to you and gave you a spot on the next season, or something similar. Well at least you have a rep for being a nit if you do go on again.

ne14dirt 05-15-2007 10:43 PM

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Sorry you didn't make day 3 nit. Ur still tops in our book.

JimmyGunz 05-15-2007 10:47 PM

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nice report, was that all ur money or where u backed

Kevmath 05-15-2007 10:49 PM

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Negreanu and Hellmuth talked about their play during the HSP tapings in their blogs. Hellmuth mentioned he dropped over 100k.

Spechel EDD 05-15-2007 10:50 PM

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you shouldve challenged hellmuth headsup immediately when he called you a nit. you either make him look like a bitch on national television or he plays you and you win lots of bling blang $$$$$$

Teh1337zor 05-15-2007 10:51 PM

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you shouldve challenged hellmuth headsup immediately when he called you a nit. you either make him look like a bitch on national television or he plays you and you win lots of bling blang $$$$$$

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ahnuld 05-15-2007 10:52 PM

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I could see the day 3 screw-over coming when you said you played like a nit. You really should have just put alot out there on the table given how even if it all went perfect you only had about 12 hours total, or 400 hands at most. Not enough for a juicy pumped up game like that.

And I wouldnt worry about the disclosure crap as negreanu posted enough in his blog that you shouldnt worry.

iMsoLucky0 05-15-2007 10:58 PM

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New title for Jman:

UBERNIT

or

HSP NIT

AntonHeat 05-15-2007 10:58 PM

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A+

Btw thanks to you and Brain for keeping it real and giving back to the community and telling us how it is. 2p2ers ftw.

52s 05-15-2007 10:59 PM

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I found out today that someone won 700k over the 3 days, or possibly on Day 3 itself (I know the name, but won't spill for spoilers) and that someone else won 600k (didn't exactly catch the name).

technologic 05-15-2007 11:00 PM

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you should've just sat down with your full roll on the table, and pwn3d everyone by running awesome, obv. you would've cleaned up, had huge amts of stacks of money on the table for the cameras, and played in a juicier game ftw.

Teh1337zor 05-15-2007 11:00 PM

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Jman did you talk to the people in that game about any high stakes nlhe games they play normally, if so are you gonna get up in that?

oober 05-15-2007 11:00 PM

Re: Jman\'s High Stakes Poker Trip Report (long)
 
Next time Helmuth says the. Fire back. "Flip for rolls?"

That would get some attention.. Throw a little turret's in there, and you my friend will be a star!!!!!!!!

technologic 05-15-2007 11:01 PM

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btw, how the hell does 100k fit into your pocket? isn't that like two bricks?

AggroFish 05-15-2007 11:03 PM

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[ QUOTE ]

I would love if someone would do a show where Me, durrr, Aba, and two more (Not saying I’m necessarily one of the best 5 online players and don’t wanna make a top 5 list) each play HU v Ivey, Doyle, Negreanu, etc. Like, we each pair up with a pro and play best of 3 HU 200bb freezouts. Each team puts up $2mm or whatever and whichever team wins most out of 5 splits the prize amongst themselves. Online pros v Live pros. Then maybe America would realize how it really is. Anyways, I’m ranting now.

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Jesus how much f**king money do you people have? That's what it takes to get shows like that on the air...that and of course jamie "hollywood" gold.

eurythmech 05-15-2007 11:09 PM

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btw, how the hell does 100k fit into your pocket? isn't that like two bricks?

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Seriously? I remember in season one when Ted rebought with one 50k chip.

Rootabager 05-15-2007 11:13 PM

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So on day 3 every pro had to buy in for 500k. Sounds pretty sweet. Did anyone quit because they didnt have 500k/didnt want to have that much in play?

I guess you cant tell us what you though of everyones play, and who was the 500k table.


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