1k TStone Hand: Ugly Turn
 

25/50 blinds. Good structure
I have about 4400 to start.


I have seen a few flops but not played any big ones. Have isoed limper maybe 2 times. BB has Already cr'ed me once and I folded after a little thought.

Kinda passive guy who has been limping a lot limps in EP. I make it 200 with TJs. BB call limper calls.

Flop is TdJd8 Checked to me I bet 500 BB calls.
Turn is another 8. He checks to me.

I ended up betting 900. He shoved (had me covered) pretty quickly. I've got a bit more than 2600 left and I decide to call.

Reads: Guy is fat, kind of dumb-looking 20-25 year old. I didn't think he had a big hand when he called on the flop.

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i limp behind with a hand like JTs all day.

this is a nasty turn card to bet, because your hand is more or less reduced to a bluff catcher (well, or an overplayed KJ catcher), so betting seems so very uggo on this board.

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OSU I think being in position is pretty awesome here, especially if it gets HU. C-Bet will take it down quite often.

Plus the times we do hit something having a raised pot is money.

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dan,

the reason i limp behind here is that the hands that really hit JTss also hit a lot of other limped hands, but not quite as hard. hands that really hit JTss don't hit a ton of hands that cold call raises or limp/call.

btw, a cbet takes it down often, but when we hit it's money? that's kinda conflicting, don't you think?

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as played, you hve to call. I think a lot of weak players would do this with 99 , A9, AJ, QJ, KJ, etc. However, if he had the 8 with a dime draw or an overpair, I dont really know what to say except he played it awful

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OSU,

Cbet doesn't have to work all that often to be profitable. Of the times they don't immediately fold, they probably put way too much money in later streets.

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i think you're good here on the turn unless he has 98, which is definitely a possibility. it's pretty close between bet-call and check imo. if i did bet i definitely wouldnt be folding.

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]I think I have to bet turn bc there are so many gay rivers.

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Reads: Guy is fat, kind of dumb-looking 20-25 year old. I didn't think he had a big hand when he called on the flop.

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I can think of handfuls of pros that your "read" describes, and I would be lunch for all of them.

Call for sure.

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Given that a lot of TS regulars are horrible, I probably call, but not particularly happy about calling. (I probably bet too)

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I'm gonna bump this one time because I think it's an interesting spot.

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My 1st reaction was to fold but the more I think about it, the more I'm talking myself into calling. Since it's early and you probably don't have much of a read I guess all I can ask you is did you bet 900(pot was ~1600ish if im correct)on the turn because you were trying to salvage as many chips as possible if you get CRed and decide u have to fold it. Or did you bet 900 because you thought it would look weak and induce a bluff.

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You played the hand fine.

You have a pretty easy call on the end

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At the table I thought he flipped up 88 but a bit later Randal told me it was actually 89o.

He said based on previous play with the guy he'd have found a fold... I'm still not sure if live people are ever bluffing here but I don't think calling is unreasonable at the least.

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I don't like the turn bet. If I bet I probably fold to the c/r.

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Thoughts on Villain's turn line?

Is a c/r here better than just leading turn/shoving river?

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Thoughts on Villain's turn line?

Is a c/r here better than just leading turn/shoving river?

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I almost made the disclaimer to ignore preflop, but I just assumed no one would be dumb enough to say anything.

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I almost made the disclaimer to ignore preflop, but I just assumed no one would be dumb enough to say anything.

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Never mentioned what position you were PF. Coulda been UTG+1, MP or button for all I know!

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Thoughts on Villain's turn line?

Is a c/r here better than just leading turn/shoving river?

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If you have an 8, leading is better.
If you don't have an 8, c/r is probably better.

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Late position, somewhere around the hijack/cutoff

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You played the hand fine.

You have a pretty easy call on the end

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Is this sarcastic? If not, What hands are shoving here, besides random bluff?

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Check behind turn, call a river bet on most cards. Bet when checked to on the river. It's a very scary board and a very easy check to keep the pot small and make the rest of the hand very easy to play. When he c/r's that turn, he's huge.

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against a fat dumb dude, i probably bet-call turn too.

against a better player, or as a default, it should be a check-behind turn and call river (vbet if checked to)

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Check behind turn, call a river bet on most cards. Bet when checked to on the river. It's a very scary board and a very easy check to keep the pot small and make the rest of the hand very easy to play. When he c/r's that turn, he's huge.

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Why can't you play like gobbo? Then I wouldn't be down money.