Here\'s an AKo hand
 

I got no reads on these guys, just that they are playing for dimes.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero ???

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

I would have raised the flop for hopes of a free card / being still best (many aggro players just donk any prd board because they assume it has missed you as well or they want to vb their 55 or whatever, often checking the turn when getting called in two spots) / driving out SB.

As played, it has just gotten a wee uglier for you. Given the stakes, I think a fold is thin, but best. Disregarding the FD, you have 4 solid outs and anywhere from 1.5-3 OC outs (discount a bit more because of the str8 thread the K's put on the board). That would give you just about the right price to see a river. Discount all of those outs for the additional flush thread, however, would make me believe you don't quite get the 6.5ish outs you need.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

I toss it the 3rd spade just made your overs even more dirty. I think a flop raise is a decent idea if the table is pretty passive.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

*grunch*
Raise that Flop! HU is better than 3way [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].
Fold that turn.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

fold

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

i fold the turn.

i do not raise the flop. what is the point of getting HU with A-high? are we really taking a free card if we do get it HU? what can possibly fold on this flop that we would like to fold?

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

It's a fold, there could be straights, flushes, good draws, two pair....

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

Fold turn. It completely devalues your hand.

IMO the call on the flop is pretty thin. It's very possible that you are already up against trips or full house and likely that you are dominated.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

How many outs do we give ourselves on this flop?

I think no matter how you slice it we're seeing turn here, but I'm curious just how much everyone discounts due to:

-potential reverse domination
-dirty flush outs
-hitting our pair and making someone else a straight.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

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How many outs do we give ourselves on this flop?

I think no matter how you slice it we're seeing turn here, but I'm curious just how much everyone discounts due to:

-potential reverse domination
-dirty flush outs
-hitting our pair and making someone else a straight.

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I would give give about 3 outs for the OC's and about another 3 for the straight draw = 6 outs total.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

The turn is an easy fold. Raising the flop is spew.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

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i fold the turn.

i do not raise the flop. what is the point of getting HU with A-high? are we really taking a free card if we do get it HU? what can possibly fold on this flop that we would like to fold?

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I agree with this. I used to autoraise a lot of draws for the free card, but when people are donking this flop, it's often with a hand better than mine and I'm isolating them with a weaker hand. I generally only raise draws now if my hand has some deception and/or I definitely want to see the river, such as the usual case with a nut flush draw. In this hand, there are a bunch of turn cards I don't want to see such as a queen, jack, nine, eight or a spade, plus I don't actually know which of my outs are good. Also, by checking the turn, I think you give your hand away, but will still have to call down with a losing hand at times (or do this with stronger hands) to avoid people autobetting/bluffing you on the river.

So, as played, I call the flop, fold the turn.

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

I will not raise the flop, you are only isolating with a weaker + potential dominated hand. yuk!

Re: Here\'s an AKo hand
 

I was surprised to hear so many people saying raise the flop. I seem to rarely make this play.

The turn is an easy fold getting 6:1. Your straight outs are oh so dirty with the spades and the paired board. JT anyone? Maybe not, it's more likely to be a queen, but when the board gets really straighty and flushy and paired, you are in big trouble.

Fold the turn and NH.