2+2ers vs Harrah\'s New Orleans
 

The rake at Harrah's NOLA is a huge ripoff and not on par with the other casino in town Boomtown. Boomtown's rake is 10% up to $3 on 1-2 nl, while Harrah's is $6 per half hour per player. they have a regular rake on every other game but 1-2 nl. that is a huge rip off and i refuse to play there, I drive past harrahs on my way to Boomtown. i would love to play there but that rake is unfair and imposibble to beat.

Please help the cause by calling the poker room to complain and/or sending them an letter.

Address
Harrah's New Orleans
228 Poydras Street
New Orleans, LA 70130

Phone Numbers
General: (504)533-6000
VIP: (800) VIP-JAZZ (847-5299)

you can also send them an e-mail by signing up at harrahs.com

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Could you give a better idea of the effective amount paid per player per hour at each place or something like that? It is hard for me to compare a raked game with a timed game.

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Well That's $120 per hour at a 10 handed table plus JP and tip.

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20-30 hands per hour at boomtown would be $20-$90maximum.

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The rake at Harrah's NOLA is a huge ripoff and not on par with the other casino in town Boomtown. Boomtown's rake is 10% up to $3 on 1-2 nl, while Harrah's is $6 per half hour per player. they have a regular rake on every other game but 1-2 nl. that is a huge rip off and i refuse to play there, I drive past harrahs on my way to Boomtown. i would love to play there but that rake is unfair and imposibble to beat.

Please help the cause by calling the poker room to complain and/or sending them an letter.

Address
Harrah's New Orleans
228 Poydras Street
New Orleans, LA 70130

Phone Numbers
General: (504)533-6000
VIP: (800) VIP-JAZZ (847-5299)

you can also send them an e-mail by signing up at harrahs.com

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Are there lots of people playing these games at Harrah's?
If the answer is yes, then good luck getting Harrah's to listen to your complaint.

This is like writing a letter to Courtyard by Marriott that their downtown hotel is a ripoff at $180/night when you can stay somewhere else for less than half that.

Chances Courtyard or Harrah's gives a crap and lowers their prices/rake across the board because you wrote a letter = zero.

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The rake at Harrah's NOLA is a huge ripoff and not on par with the other casino in town Boomtown. Boomtown's rake is 10% up to $3 on 1-2 nl, while Harrah's is $6 per half hour per player. they have a regular rake on every other game but 1-2 nl. that is a huge rip off and i refuse to play there, I drive past harrahs on my way to Boomtown. i would love to play there but that rake is unfair and imposibble to beat.

Please help the cause by calling the poker room to complain and/or sending them an letter.

Address
Harrah's New Orleans
228 Poydras Street
New Orleans, LA 70130

Phone Numbers
General: (504)533-6000
VIP: (800) VIP-JAZZ (847-5299)

you can also send them an e-mail by signing up at harrahs.com

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Are there lots of people playing these games at Harrah's?
If the answer is yes, then good luck getting Harrah's to listen to your complaint.

This is like writing a letter to Courtyard by Marriott that their downtown hotel is a ripoff at $180/night when you can stay somewhere else for less than half that.

Chances Courtyard or Harrah's gives a crap and lowers their prices/rake across the board because you wrote a letter = zero.

[/ QUOTE ]But two hotels will give you two degrees of service and quality of room for the money while harrah's and boomtown give the exact same thing for a different price.

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Id like to go on record that I dont agree with the OP. I'll let others explain why (think management and player's POV at the same time), and rejoin the conversation later.

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Whether deserved or not, Harrah's has the reputation as the premier casino destination in New Orleans.
Conventioneers and tourists flock there.

I'm assuming it does more business. Not sure if the poker-room is bigger or not as I have never been to Boomtown.

They are possibly losing a few rake-aware players to Boomtown over this issue but it's probably not significant.
they more than make up for it by the thousands of people filing through their doors everyday.


In Las Vegas right now, the Venetian is offering rake-free games at certain limits.
Bellagio is still the place to find the better games though.

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Id like to go on record that I dont agree with the OP. I'll let others explain why (think management and player's POV at the same time), and rejoin the conversation later.

[/ QUOTE ]the floor person at harrah's put it like this, 1-2nl players think it's the wsop and take 10 minutes to do thier action/turn so they don't make enough with a regular rake. i think that's bs. there are better solutions to that problem like making a time limit for a player to act or something else. dont punish everyone over a few dipshts.

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the Venetian is offering rake-free games at certain limits. Bellagio is still the place to find the better games though.

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It makes sense, doesn't it? Rake-aware players are smarter players. Smarter players aren't where the action is. I say hurray for a huge discrepency between places, because the more expensive room will have the bigger fish.

Tho' maybe my perspective is flawed because I'm in the Bay Area and a $6 time charge seems normal to me.

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the Venetian is offering rake-free games at certain limits. Bellagio is still the place to find the better games though.

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It makes sense, doesn't it? Rake-aware players are smarter players. Smarter players aren't where the action is. I say hurray for a huge discrepency between places, because the more expensive room will have the bigger fish.

Tho' maybe my perspective is flawed because I'm in the Bay Area and a $6 time charge seems normal to me.

[/ QUOTE ]i dont think it will make much a difference in this case.

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Okay, so, why is it a big deal? Play where you like to play. Yay, you win.

I'm not sure what's to be gained by starting a campaign here. You're wrapping your entire 2+2 identity around a minor gripe with a multi-billion dollar international corporation? Aren't there better things to do?

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HRS --

Also, I doubt your contention that the rake is "unbeatable."

--Nate

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But two hotels will give you two degrees of service and quality of room for the money while harrah's and boomtown give the exact same thing for a different price.

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Okay, so, why is it a big deal? Play where you like to play. Yay, you win.

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Yes. It just occured to me that if OP truly believes what he says then he shouldn't be concerned at all about what Harrah's does.
If Boomtown's service and quality of games and everything else is equal then you can just play at Boomtown because of the better rake and what Harrah's does with their rake is completel irrelevant to you.


It's like 2 gas-stations are right next to each other and one of them sells gas for $0.20/gal less.
I just laugh at the other station and go where it's cheaper.
I'm not angered in the least that the other station is charging too much.

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Also, wouldn't you be more successful if you tried to rally NOLA players, rather than us? At my room, the higher limit players wanted a certain structure of tournament, so they talked with management about it, and now we have them. I think a better course of action would to get the players in NOLA to have conversations with management at Harrah's. Nothing big or itching for a fight, just a simple, "I like your room, but I think the time charge on your NL is too high, so I'll be playing at Boomtown." If enough people do that, you have a better shot at implementing change than an anonymous letter-writing campaign.

Incidentally, have you chatted with anyone at Harrah's about their policy and reasons?

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I am going this week for the WSOP circuit. I don't even think they have 1/2 NL last time I was there. $6 is an extremely high rake but do realize besides boomtown, its the only choice.

Besides with the limited space they have for the poker room it doesnt suprised me their rake is jacked up.

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Harrah's is a legitimate land casino, whereas Boomtown is a riverboat with very limited capacity. I'm not really enthused with the $6/down + $1/hand JP drop, but the games are excellent. Boomtown's rake is low in an effort to bring in business. It didn't work for the other boats. It won't work for them.

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but the games are excellent

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indeed......it's always been my impression that $3 per hand at say 3-6 or $4 per hand at 4-8 limit (i'll forget about the jackpot since they charge that in the timed game also) would equate to $90 or $120 (assuming 30 hands per hour) in those games. Harrah's is taking $108 in rake every hour.

Maybe every hand in all of these games isn't raked fully, but I think you see my point that, if anything, the total rake is actually pretty close.

The great thing about this is that the loose players have more money to lose because they are not paying a higher than average percentage of the rake any more.

I like the time charge and would bet that it runs pretty close to whatever you pay in rake anyways.

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I'd gladly pay an extra $2/hr to play at Harrah's and not drive through that war zone to get to freaking boomtown. Plus, Harrah's is far nicer as well.

You seriously go 30 mins out of your way, each way, to avoid the time charge? Because that's about how far past Harrah's I recall driving to get to Boomtown. You are a better person than I.

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So an hour of driving, which is an hour of not playing. What's your gas mileage? How much is saving $2/hr costing you? Not to mention added wear on your vehicle and increased emmissions.

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I like boomtown...grew up going to their arcade...

(they got me young!)