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I do well at cash games in the casino but not as well online, and I think there are a few reasons why I do better in online tournaments than at online cash games: I'm not the best hold em player, but I think that pervasive colluding is giving other players an edge, we all now know there are teams of bots trolling the sites, the algorithms used to "randomize" the deal are not entirely random and also those of us who do not employ software assistance (such as PT) are at a disadvantage.

So I'm thinking I'm going to move my play more to multi-table tournaments which, in my estimation, will cut down on the degree to which such "cheating" can be exploited.

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good luck

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I do well at cash games in the casino but not as well online

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You listed a few reasons why, but I think you left out the most important and likely reason.

Good luck at the donkaments.

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algorithms used to "randomize" the deal are not entirely random

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If you had to bet your life on which is likely to be "more random" then would you honestly choose a dealer shuffling the cards over the random number generator used by the poker sites?

Talk about flogging a dead horse to death, then reviving it and flogging it again and again and again and again...

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Playing HU would be the best place to go if you were afraid of the various forms of alleged online cheating.

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I do well at cash games in the casino but not as well online, and I think there are a few reasons why I do better in online tournaments than at online cash games: I'm not the best hold em player, but I think that pervasive colluding is giving other players an edge, we all now know there are teams of bots trolling the sites, the algorithms used to "randomize" the deal are not entirely random and also those of us who do not employ software assistance (such as PT) are at a disadvantage.

So I'm thinking I'm going to move my play more to multi-table tournaments which, in my estimation, will cut down on the degree to which such "cheating" can be exploited.

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What stakes do you play? What do you mean by pervasive colluding? How does said colluding improve the colluders winrates? Basicly tell me more about collusion.

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You ever think maybe you play against online are a lot better than the donks at the casino? ZOMG IMPOSSIBLE

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What stakes do you play? What do you mean by pervasive colluding? How does said colluding improve the colluders winrates? Basicly tell me more about collusion.

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Mostly low stakes, and this is very subjective, but I mean that there is probably a lot of colluding going on in online play. Some of the biggest names in poker have admitted to online collusion. (Though other big names have argued in the past that they have not seen actual evidence that collusion is effective.)

I have found in my online play that it is rewarding to act on the principle that if something is possible, it's probable. And doubly so where money is involved.

(What follows is something I'm making up on the fly here by way of illustration, since you requested one.) Collusion can be effective at improving winrates to the extent that, for example, you are working a six-seat table with one accomplice. You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold. Just use your imagination.

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I do well at cash games in the casino but not as well online, and I think there are a few reasons why I do better in online tournaments than at online cash games: I'm not the best hold em player, but I think that pervasive colluding is giving other players an edge, we all now know there are teams of bots trolling the sites, the algorithms used to "randomize" the deal are not entirely random and also those of us who do not employ software assistance (such as PT) are at a disadvantage.

So I'm thinking I'm going to move my play more to multi-table tournaments which, in my estimation, will cut down on the degree to which such "cheating" can be exploited.

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270 posts and you are still trolling?

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I do well at cash games in the casino but not as well online, and I think there are a few reasons why I do better in online tournaments than at online cash games: I'm not the best hold em player, but I think that pervasive colluding is giving other players an edge, we all now know there are teams of bots trolling the sites, the algorithms used to "randomize" the deal are not entirely random and also those of us who do not employ software assistance (such as PT) are at a disadvantage.

So I'm thinking I'm going to move my play more to multi-table tournaments which, in my estimation, will cut down on the degree to which such "cheating" can be exploited.

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270 posts and you are still trolling?

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It's always a good day to troll. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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The answer is HORSE, duh.

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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But seriously, the answer to the question "how does collusion improve winrates" is pretty simple - "two heads are better than one".

I mean, does that not illustrate how collusion, from one perspective, takes money away from players who are not in on the collusion?

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The answer is HORSE, duh.

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No, because any game in which valuable hidden information is key to winning (and which applies to each game of HORSE) can be subject to collusive online play.

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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But seriously, the answer to the question "how does collusion improve winrates" is pretty simple - "two heads are better than one".

I mean, does that not illustrate how collusion, from one perspective, takes money away from players who are not in on the collusion?

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Dead: Tc

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.679% 62.41% 00.27% 827077335 3617925.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 37.321% 37.05% 00.27% 491010111 3617925.00 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
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So I'm TAG. What can I say. LOL

Playing TT in a raised pot when you know a ten has been mucked is not very smart, regardless of the general stats. Raising with TT when you are acting alone IS.

Even so, I'm not talking about pocket tens - just trying to make a point.

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i just think the average low limit online player has gotten better mostly because its a little bit harder to deposit,etc and this discourages the casual player.

i think at casinos you find more casual players just playing for fun not working real hard on improving.

its not shuffle randomizers or collusion that is the problem.

if you want to win consistant monies i dont think MTTs are the way to go. unless you want to put in 13 hrs. a day to try to deal with the variance.

i think heads up is good if you are that concerned about collousion

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Some of the biggest names in poker have admitted to online collusion.

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Okay. Links plz.

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Some of the biggest names in poker have admitted to online collusion.

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Okay. Links plz.

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Well, much as I hate to remind people because he has such an awesome mind, there was that editorial David had in his forum. Remember that?

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Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT's..

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Do search for ZeeJustin in MTT forum, read historic threads, come back and tell us if you still think the answer is MTT's

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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But seriously, the answer to the question "how does collusion improve winrates" is pretty simple - "two heads are better than one".

I mean, does that not illustrate how collusion, from one perspective, takes money away from players who are not in on the collusion?

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Board:
Dead: Tc

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.679% 62.41% 00.27% 827077335 3617925.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 37.321% 37.05% 00.27% 491010111 3617925.00 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
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LOL thanks soah.

Worst colluders ever. He was better off signaling the guy that he wanted to get something to eat or his shoelace was untied.

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on a 24" monitor I still havee to scroll ovr to read each sentence? wtf