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Assani Fisher 05-11-2007 10:49 PM

Hypothetical NBA Playoff series
 

bottomset 05-11-2007 10:51 PM

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Chicago in 4 or 5

Jack of Arcades 05-11-2007 10:51 PM

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GS in 4.

Assani Fisher 05-11-2007 10:52 PM

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on an unrelated note, when looking at 95-96 Bulls stats I came across strange salary figures:

Michael Jordan:
1984-85 $550,000
1985-86 $630,000
1986-87 * $737,500
1987-88 $845,000
1988-89 $2,000,000
1989-90 * $2,250,000
1990-91 $2,500,000
1991-92 $3,250,000
1992-93 $4,000,000
1993-94 $4,000,000
1994-95 $3,850,000
1995-96 $3,850,000
1996-97 $30,140,000
1997-98 $33,140,000
2001-02 $1,000,000
2002-03 $1,030,000
Career (may be incomplete) $93,772,500


Scottie Pippen:
1987-88 $725,000
1988-89 $575,000
1989-90 * $670,000
1990-91 $765,000
1991-92 $2,770,000
1992-93 $3,425,000
1993-94 $3,075,000
1994-95 $2,225,000
1995-96 $2,925,000
1996-97 $2,250,000
1997-98 $2,775,000
1998-99 $11,000,000
1999-00 $14,795,642
2000-01 $13,750,000
2001-02 $18,083,564
2002-03 $19,727,524
2003-04 $4,917,000



Whats the deal with the salaries being so low until the later 90s?

Mr biggums 05-11-2007 10:53 PM

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Warriors in 6

By-Tor 05-11-2007 10:54 PM

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bulls in 5

NLSoldier 05-11-2007 11:51 PM

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on an unrelated note, when looking at 95-96 Bulls stats I came across strange salary figures:

Michael Jordan:
1984-85 $550,000
1985-86 $630,000
1986-87 * $737,500
1987-88 $845,000
1988-89 $2,000,000
1989-90 * $2,250,000
1990-91 $2,500,000
1991-92 $3,250,000
1992-93 $4,000,000
1993-94 $4,000,000
1994-95 $3,850,000
1995-96 $3,850,000
1996-97 $30,140,000
1997-98 $33,140,000
2001-02 $1,000,000
2002-03 $1,030,000
Career (may be incomplete) $93,772,500


Scottie Pippen:
1987-88 $725,000
1988-89 $575,000
1989-90 * $670,000
1990-91 $765,000
1991-92 $2,770,000
1992-93 $3,425,000
1993-94 $3,075,000
1994-95 $2,225,000
1995-96 $2,925,000
1996-97 $2,250,000
1997-98 $2,775,000
1998-99 $11,000,000
1999-00 $14,795,642
2000-01 $13,750,000
2001-02 $18,083,564
2002-03 $19,727,524
2003-04 $4,917,000



Whats the deal with the salaries being so low until the later 90s?

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deferred money to get around cap issues?

NLSoldier 05-11-2007 11:52 PM

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I cant decide on an answer to the poll.

Are you basically asking if the warriors at home are the best NBA team ever?

jalapenoguy 05-12-2007 12:02 AM

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reason for the higher salary for jordan was the larry bird rule which allowed a team to resign their own player for any amount over the cap.

pippens jump seems to correlate with the lockout.

bottomset 05-12-2007 01:01 AM

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I cant decide on an answer to the poll.

Are you basically asking if the warriors at home are the best NBA team ever?

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would you expect any less from assani?

Assani Fisher 05-12-2007 01:08 AM

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I cant decide on an answer to the poll.

Are you basically asking if the warriors at home are the best NBA team ever?

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Well just because you're great at home doesn't make you the best ever. And just to point out, to 95-96 Bulls team lost less games ALL YEAR than GS lost at home this year. But yeah I guess that is kinda what I'm getting at:

Suppose that every game was played in Golden State with the crowd just as energetic as they are for the playoffs. Would any team ever be able to beat them longterm more than 50% of the time?

JaredL 05-12-2007 01:10 AM

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Scottie Pippen:

1999-00 $14,795,642
2000-01 $13,750,000
2001-02 $18,083,564
2002-03 $19,727,524


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God damn I hate Whitsitt.

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bottomset 05-12-2007 01:17 AM

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I cant decide on an answer to the poll.

Are you basically asking if the warriors at home are the best NBA team ever?

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Well just because you're great at home doesn't make you the best ever. And just to point out, to 95-96 Bulls team lost less games ALL YEAR than GS lost at home this year. But yeah I guess that is kinda what I'm getting at:

Suppose that every game was played in Golden State with the crowd just as energetic as they are for the playoffs. Would any team ever be able to beat them longterm more than 50% of the time?

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do they start the games ahead 10-0?

Assani Fisher 05-12-2007 01:18 AM

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I cant decide on an answer to the poll.

Are you basically asking if the warriors at home are the best NBA team ever?

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Well just because you're great at home doesn't make you the best ever. And just to point out, to 95-96 Bulls team lost less games ALL YEAR than GS lost at home this year. But yeah I guess that is kinda what I'm getting at:

Suppose that every game was played in Golden State with the crowd just as energetic as they are for the playoffs. Would any team ever be able to beat them longterm more than 50% of the time?

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do they start the games ahead 10-0?

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Mr biggums 05-12-2007 01:19 AM

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Suppose that every game was played in Golden State with the crowd just as energetic as they are for the playoffs. Would any team ever be able to beat them longterm more than 50% of the time?

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If the question is assuming that the Bulls have never played this Warrior team then I think the Warriors squeak it out in a 7 game series. Bulls lost 10 of their 13 games including playoffs on the road. They also would not be familiar with the warriors style of play. This should give the warriors game 1. After game 1 it comes down to the Bulls adapting to the Warriors quick enough.

Over say 21 games I think the Bulls take this quite easily. Anything can happen in a 7 game series.

kidcolin 05-12-2007 02:34 AM

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Fun idea, but I think it'd go something like this.

GS blows out Bulls in Game 1.

Game 2 is taken by GS not in a blow out, but somewhat comfortably.

On the day off, MJ thinks to himself, "wait a second.. I'm MJ. No one can stop me." And Pippen thinks, "I can shut down any player on that team." Then MJ calls out everyone on the team. Harper gets into shutdown mode, Kukoc starts scoring again, etc.

Then it'd be an awesome 7 game series, and game 7 is a toss up. If Warriors continue to manage shooting 50% from 3 land, then I don't think they lose. If they come down to earth, Bulls win.

capone0 05-12-2007 04:02 AM

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Salaries were pretty low for all players until the late 90s. I'm not sure but I believe Shaqs contract flipped the prices upside down.

Mr biggums 05-12-2007 11:29 AM

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Fun idea, but I think it'd go something like this.

GS blows out Bulls in Game 1.

Game 2 is taken by GS not in a blow out, but somewhat comfortably.

On the day off, MJ thinks to himself, "wait a second.. I'm MJ. No one can stop me." And Pippen thinks, "I can shut down any player on that team." Then MJ calls out everyone on the team. Harper gets into shutdown mode, Kukoc starts scoring again, etc.

Then it'd be an awesome 7 game series, and game 7 is a toss up. If Warriors continue to manage shooting 50% from 3 land, then I don't think they lose. If they come down to earth, Bulls win.

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Correct response

Clarkmeister 05-12-2007 02:46 PM

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You people are thinking way to hard about this. Bulls in however many they feel like. LMAO at "GS will easily win game 1 because the Bulls won't be able to figure them out" That's borderline retarded.

TheNoodleMan 05-12-2007 02:50 PM

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You people are thinking way to hard about this. Bulls in however many they feel like. LMAO at "GS will easily win game 1 because the Bulls won't be able to figure them out" That's borderline retarded.

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I agree. This GS has amazing fans crap is getting way overblown.

By-Tor 05-12-2007 02:54 PM

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You people are thinking way to hard about this. Bulls in however many they feel like. LMAO at "GS will easily win game 1 because the Bulls won't be able to figure them out" That's borderline retarded.

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that about sums it up.

fwiw, i said 5 because i think MJ takes a game off to see the city and try out for the A's

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Clarkmeister 05-12-2007 02:57 PM

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You people are thinking way to hard about this. Bulls in however many they feel like. LMAO at "GS will easily win game 1 because the Bulls won't be able to figure them out" That's borderline retarded.

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that about sums it up.

fwiw, i said 5 because i think MJ takes a game off to see the city and try out for the A's

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BTW, the Bulls in the Finals went 12-6 on the road under Jordan. And that's against teams actually good enough to make the Finals, which the Warriors are not.

Clarkmeister 05-12-2007 03:14 PM

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Bulls lost 10 of their 13 games including playoffs on the road.

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Wow, that means their road record was a meager 37-10. The horror.

ThaSaltCracka 05-12-2007 03:15 PM

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Clark, good to have you back

valenzuela 05-12-2007 05:01 PM

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bulls in 5 looks like the correct answer

onlinebeginner 05-13-2007 10:03 PM

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Roughly
15% bulls in 4
50% Bulls in 5
30% Bulls in 6
5% Bulls in 7

Basically the cance of the bulls losing either game one or losing a game being up 2-0 or even 3-1 is pretty legitimate

onlinebeginner 05-13-2007 10:05 PM

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Bulls lost 10 of their 13 games including playoffs on the road.

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Wow, that means their road record was a meager 37-10. The horror.

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also thats when they would just give away game fives when they were up 3-1 and close it out in six at home

MacGuyV 05-13-2007 10:12 PM

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You people are thinking way to hard about this. Bulls in however many they feel like. LMAO at "GS will easily win game 1 because the Bulls won't be able to figure them out" That's borderline retarded.

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that about sums it up.

fwiw, i said 5 because i think MJ takes a game off to see the city and try out for the A's

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Thank God some sanity in the thread. This isn't even close to being close.

Clarkmeister 05-14-2007 12:02 AM

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OMG, it took the 2006-7 Utah Jazz to beat Golden State on their home court. How could the Bulls hope to compete?

21SuicideKing21 05-14-2007 03:14 AM

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Is this a serious question???? How could you compare the GS Warriors to the Bulls team in 95-96, granted the GS fans are nuts, but cmon no fan can stop the 95-96 Bulls team.

What about this year's Spurs team against the 95-96 Bulls?

NozeCandy 05-14-2007 03:35 AM

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Clark is right in every single post of this thread. This series would be over in however many games Michael decided he wanted it to go.

KingNeo 05-14-2007 04:35 AM

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Umm....

With Jordan, Pippen, Harper, and Rodman playing defense this serious is over in 4 games.

The Bulls wouldnt even have to play a big man, and those 4 defenders might be the greatest quatro of all time.

BTW, the 95-96 Bulls were pretty good on offense too, I think they still had Jordan then.

DMBFan23 05-14-2007 07:29 PM

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OMG, it took the 2006-7 Utah Jazz to beat Golden State on their home court. How could the Bulls hope to compete?

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holy [censored] I think Clark just owned this thread like 18 different ways.

LOL.

Bulls in 3 because the Warriors get booed off the court and don't come back for game 4.

P.S. I am rooting for GS in the playoffs and I like what they've done. But this is THE BEST TEAM OF ALL TIME

Assani Fisher 05-14-2007 07:35 PM

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OMG, it took the 2006-7 Utah Jazz to beat Golden State on their home court. How could the Bulls hope to compete?

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holy [censored] I think Clark just owned this thread like 18 different ways.

LOL.

Bulls in 3 because the Warriors get booed off the court and don't come back for game 4.

P.S. I am rooting for GS in the playoffs and I like what they've done. But this is THE BEST TEAM OF ALL TIME

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I still don't really have an opinion on this series, but I think pointing out that Utah won one game in GS is a pretty weak reason to show that GS would lose this hypothetical. I could just as easily do this:

How much better do you think the Bulls were than this year's Mavs?

Here were the scores of their games in GS:

111-86
103-99
109-91



Now obviously this doesn't prove anything, but it proves just as much as Utah's win.

Butcho22 05-14-2007 08:00 PM

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"How much better do you think the Bulls were than this year's Mavs?"

light years

bottomset 05-14-2007 10:00 PM

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golden state matched up well vs Dallas, they don't match up well at all vs the Bulls

Assani Fisher 05-14-2007 10:17 PM

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golden state matched up well vs Dallas, they don't match up well at all vs the Bulls

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I actually totally disagree.

Golden State's one weakness is that they can't defend the post well and they aren't very physical inside. Because of that a guy like Carlos Boozer is giving them fits.

However, the Bulls had Romdan and Longley inside- not scorers at all.

I think the Warriors match up quite well with the Bulls. I'm not saying they'd win, but I disagree with your match analysis.

bottomset 05-15-2007 02:22 PM

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Jordan, Pippen and Rodman are alltime great defenders, and they have nobody that can slowdown Jordan

Kobe scored 43 26 42 vs GS this year for a similar player reference


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