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FGators 05-10-2007 06:30 PM

Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Thought this was actually worth posting. less than 10 hands at this table. I probably butched everything but flop and preflop. Block river? I have no clue.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($479)
SB ($198)
Hero ($199)
UTG ($366.35)
MP ($279.20)
CO ($188.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, Button calls $18.

Flop: ($49) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($129) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($129) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $70</font>, Hero calls $70.

Final Pot: $269

Imrahil 05-10-2007 06:36 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
I like although I don't know what the best river play is. Probably c/c. I would think villain would shove flop with AsK.

True 05-10-2007 06:36 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
I probably fold river, people are going to be value betting 99 or AsK / AKs / KQs / KsQ / x-ys far more than he is going to be bluffing with the much smaller range of 77 etc.

delta k 05-10-2007 06:37 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
AsXo?

sMethod 05-10-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Definatly AK

But listen to what True said.

w33ktight 05-10-2007 07:02 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
good analysis from true, honestly you only beat a bluff and you have no read.

really though how was your stay in valuetown? ....sorry, you knew it was coming lol.

I only block the river when there are hands in the villain's range that he could call and lose with, AND I think there are hands in his range that might bluff the river. here, i suppose he could bluff AsQx or something, but does your block ever get called by worse? probably not.

loveminuszero 05-10-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
gotta fold the river. tough lay down though, can't blame you if you called

FGators 05-10-2007 07:07 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Is the turn a trivial check?

Imrahil 05-10-2007 07:08 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
I think it's probably check/fold.

FGators 05-10-2007 07:39 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
I mean if you had to do a pokerstove range I wish you could weight it so Asx was weighted higher than hand with a K in it because I think you see Asx a lot more than any other hand if that makes any sense.

Back In Black 05-10-2007 07:52 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
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I mean if you had to do a pokerstove range I wish you could weight it so Asx was weighted higher than hand with a K in it because I think you see Asx a lot more than any other hand if that makes any sense.

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You can eliminate some of the Kx combos in Pokerstove to more accurately represent your read.

Jay Riall 05-10-2007 09:04 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Not a sport.

True 05-10-2007 09:12 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
If I checked the turn it would be to call. Villain thinks he has to protect here so has value against lone spades (in his opinion), he also thinks he might have a solid bluff as the king is a decent scare card that you have shown weakness against. The villain may think he is value betting / protecting / bluffing with any kind of mediocre hand that called the flop.

I do agree that some As-x are in his range, but how many As-x do you call a re-raise with preflop and what % of time do you just call the flop?

GtrHtr 05-10-2007 11:20 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
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If I checked the turn it would be to call. Villain thinks he has to protect here so has value against lone spades (in his opinion), he also thinks he might have a solid bluff as the king is a decent scare card that you have shown weakness against. The villain may think he is value betting / protecting / bluffing with any kind of mediocre hand that called the flop.

I do agree that some As-x are in his range, but how many As-x do you call a re-raise with preflop and what % of time do you just call the flop?

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nice post, as usual.

jk3a 05-11-2007 12:00 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Given that you only beat a bluff AND villain checked turn it's difficult for him to be bluffing very often here.

All_Inn_Aces 05-11-2007 12:45 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
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Given that you only beat a bluff AND villain checked turn it's difficult for him to be bluffing very often here.

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I think hero checking turn and river here induces a bluff from weak hands and missed draws. I agree with true, by checkign the turn (and river) we have to call.

acidca 05-11-2007 02:53 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
as played check-shove river

FGators 05-11-2007 03:01 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
Alright if Im checking the turn how often should I lead a blank river? (im drunk)

acidca 05-11-2007 05:06 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
honestly, I would every time.

True 05-11-2007 08:25 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
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Given that you only beat a bluff AND villain checked turn it's difficult for him to be bluffing very often here.

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I think hero checking turn and river here induces a bluff from weak hands and missed draws. I agree with true, by checkign the turn (and river) we have to call.

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You disagree with me then, I would check/call the turn, but if the turn was checked through I would check/fold the river. In my opinion it induces a valuebet not a bluff.

Clayton 05-11-2007 08:36 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
i use the exact same line fgators, but i play laggy splashy, whereas you play one gear "look, here are my cards" style, so w ur image if villain isnt retarded i checkfold river.

joeblack 05-11-2007 08:38 AM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
FGators why the horrible reputation on BBV?

FGators 05-11-2007 02:19 PM

Re: Poker is my Favorite sport
 
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i use the exact same line fgators, but i play laggy splashy, whereas you play one gear "look, here are my cards" style, so w ur image if villain isnt retarded i checkfold river.

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I guess I'll take it. You could have just dropped the cheap shot though. And you have no idea how I've changed my game.


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