valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

Villain is decent, seems to be calling down a reasonalbe amount, not a complete call station, 3bettng a decent amount. TAG i guess, could be someone on here.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Round42: $663.50</font>
<font color="black">Hero: $1,126.50</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, Round42 calls $12

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($36) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Round42 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, Round42 calls $30

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($96) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Round42 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $72</font>, Round42 calls $72

<font color="black">River:</font> ($240) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Round42 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

eh, i think your bluffing here to be honest.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

Yeah don't see how this is for value against a TAG.
But I think he'll fold alot.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

IMO this is a complete bluff, range merging would be like if you had A4o and wanted a call from KJ or something random

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you bet all three streets and there was no legit draw. i dont think you ever get called by a worse hand, ever. unless the guy is terrible and your image is pretty insane.

if you checked behind on either the flop or turn, then perhaps he check/calls the river with like 77-TT, but still pretty unlikely imo.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

Everyone wants to be 'rangemerging' these days, kind of funny.

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yea its a bluff. no i dont like it.

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keep rangemerging and I will keep making crying river calls only to find out that you were range merging, tx 2p2ers

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keep rangemerging and I will keep making crying river calls only to find out that you were range merging, tx 2p2ers

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keep making crying calls and ill find out i was thinly valuebetting. tx neo.

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keep rangemerging and I will keep making crying river calls only to find out that you were range merging, tx 2p2ers

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keep making crying calls and ill find out i was thinly valuebetting. tx neo.

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two plus two is teh el oh el

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

the bets on the turn and river here are putrid, but given that you did fire fourth I suppose you have to continue on the end... we can remove all consideration of value from the equation though

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Villain is decent, seems to be calling down a reasonalbe amount, not a complete call station, 3bettng a decent amount. TAG i guess, could be someone on here.

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and this means "will call river w/ TT"?

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

I know it's HU and sometimes anything goes etc, but this is almost always pretty bad IMO.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

really dont like river bet size

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This isn't a bluff, it's donating money to a calling station.

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Your problem here is that he will mostly rr midPPs pre and therefore his most likely bluffcatcher is a better J.

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This isn't a bluff, it's donating money to a calling station.

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yep A4o good

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

He probably has a Ace-Rag. Bad spot to bluff in since you MIIIGHT have SD value and the only hands that will probably fold is the better jacks which you block.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

all,

its not a bad spot to bluff. just realize its a bluff.

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No offence, but it's pretty funny how all these 2p2'ers are firing the river...but they don't know why! I've yet to see more than one ot two good examples of this range merging thing yet..

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No offence, but it's pretty funny how all these 2p2'ers are firing the river...but they don't know why! I've yet to see more than one ot two good examples of this range merging thing yet..

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well you're a nit so you never get to the river with less than the nuts

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No offence, but it's pretty funny how all these 2p2'ers are firing the river...but they don't know why! I've yet to see more than one ot two good examples of this range merging thing yet..

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hu?

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No offence, but it's pretty funny how all these 2p2'ers are firing the river...but they don't know why! I've yet to see more than one ot two good examples of this range merging thing yet..

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Its more common to see it at high stakes HU poker, hence the reason why it's so fashionable to discuss it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

snipes is a str8 up ngga hu.

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snipes is a str8 up ngga hu.

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ah, he meant heads up? i assumed it was a typo of huh. do you know what i mean though? i'm not saying it's a bad play neccessarily, but at least know what you're trying to do when you bet...this is a straight up bluff. there's been a few recently too which were clear value bets, nothing to do with range merging at all. But if people think it's cool and wanna talk bout it, then fair enough..

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

I think this is good with KJ

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snipes is a str8 up ngga hu.

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ah, he meant heads up? i assumed it was a typo of huh. do you know what i mean though? i'm not saying it's a bad play neccessarily, but at least know what you're trying to do when you bet...this is a straight up bluff. there's been a few recently too which were clear value bets, nothing to do with range merging at all. But if people think it's cool and wanna talk bout it, then fair enough..

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ya i agree, i was just joking w/ the HU comment. it is def a bluff.

in most of these discussions we've pretty much reached the point that an actual valuebluff doesn't really exist-thus, it is either a value bet or a bluff.

i think this opponent is definitely capable of calling w/ 88 here but that also means he is never folding Ax and sometimes folding Jx. i agree with you though, it is a bluff, and agains this opponent i should probably check it down bc when river goes c/c i am def good a large % of the time that he has middle pp or whatnot but when it goes check/call he is going to have me beat almost always.

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the bets on the turn and river here are putrid, but given that you did fire fourth I suppose you have to continue on the end... we can remove all consideration of value from the equation though

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just to backtrack a bit...betting the turn is putrid? lmao

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

I think its value with QJ JK, bluff with less

always bet turn

3 barreling is def good here sometimes, depending on reads/image/flow etc

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with rangmerging it has to be a really thin bet that it could possibly fold out better and get called by worse given a lack of information on opponents ranges. I dont see how this could ever be for value given info..so I dislike it.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

Doesn't range merging imply that he might call with a worse hand, sometimes?

I don't think he folds an A often enough for this to be any good.

Re: valuebluff, rangemerging whatever the fk
 

seems like no one ever folds Ax, KJ here

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I think its value with QJ JK, bluff with less

always bet turn

3 barreling is def good here sometimes, depending on reads/image/flow etc

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It's still a bluff with KQ against 95% of people.